Secret files: US officials aided Gaddafi

[jaxx]

Secret files: US officials aided Gaddafi
Al Jazeera uncovers evidence that influential Americans tried to help the now-deposed Libyan leader cling to power.
Jamal Elshayyal Last Modified: 31 Aug 2011 16:39

<..> During that meeting Welch advised Gaddafi's team on how to win the propaganda war, suggesting several "confidence-building measures", according to the documents. The documents appear to indicate that an influential US political personality was advising Gaddafi on how to beat the US and NATO.

<..> The papers also document Welch advising the Gaddafi's regime to take advantage of the current unrest in Syria. The documents held this passage: "The importance of taking advantage of the Syrian situation particularly regarding the double-standard policy adopted by Washington… the Syrians were never your friends and you would loose nothing from exploiting the situation there in order to embarrass the West."

<..> On the floor of the intelligence chief's office lay an envelope addressed to Gaddafi's son Saif Al-Islam. Inside, I found what appears to be a summary of a conversation between US congressman Denis Kucinich, who publicly opposed US policy on Libya, and an intermediary for the Libyan leader's son.

<..> According to the document, Kucinich wanted evidence of corruption within the NTC and, like Welch, any possible links within rebel ranks to al-Qaeda.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/fea...28747.html

OMG if this is true Kucinich went to Libya and undermined the USA.

[Born_A_Truman]

Quote:Dennis Kucinich issued a statement to the Atlantic Wire stating: "Al Jazeera found a document written by a Libyan bureaucrat to other Libyan bureaucrats. All it proves is that the Libyans were reading the Washington Post... I can't help what the Libyans put in their files... Any implication I was doing anything other than trying to bring an end to an unauthorised war is fiction."

Dennis, how does that square with this:

Quote:On the floor of the intelligence chief's office lay an envelope addressed to Gaddafi's son Saif Al-Islam. Inside, I found what appears to be a summary of a conversation between US congressman Denis Kucinich, who publicly opposed US policy on Libya, and an intermediary for the Libyan leader's son.

It details a request by the congressman for information he needed to lobby US lawmakers to suspend their support for the Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC) and to put an end to NATO airstrikes.

According to the document, Kucinich wanted evidence of corruption within the NTC and, like Welch, any possible links within rebel ranks to al-Qaeda.
The document also lists specific information needed to defend Saif Al-Islam, who is currently on the International Criminal Court's most-wanted list.

Was that in the Washington Post??

[Eponine]

That evidence is pretty damning. I certainly wouldn't consort with the enemy.

[Born_A_Truman]

Good Morning Gentlemen.
This is the Congressman you both spoke with. He is going to fight for us but he has
asked us for evidence.
I can bring need whatever we can gather. If it is sensitive I
will carry it, otherwise we can email it.
House to vote next week on ending US involvement in Libya


l.Any corrupt (verifiable) acts by the Opposition leaders. Include any personal motives for instance
to make money or gain certain types of power.
2.Any known Al-Qaeda operating in the Opposition.
3 .Any evidence ofatrocities committed by the Rebel soldiers.
4-.Any evidence ofCivilian deaths by NATO.
5 .Any evidence of arms sales to the Opposition in Benghazi or Misrata, including dates, who sold
the weapons, what type and the cost ofthe deals.
6.Any evidence of weapons being smuggled on boats to Misrata, with dates. and type of weapons.
7.Any evidence that the uprising was a planned event prior to February 1'/th. lnclude intercepted
communications, names, dates.
S.Evidence supporting that the Regime has a regular practice of hiring African military in its Pan-
African units and this was not a new (mercenaries) thingjust for the uprising.
9.Communications with the UK and USA prior to the UN bombings to show Regime was
trying to negotiate peacefully.
0.Evidence of cease fires by the Regime or withdrawals of troops. Dates, location, description
(including why cease fire broke down).
l.Evidence that before the uprising started, there were democratic projects under way, for
instance a plan for elections and so forth. This shows that they were already going this way and
aren't just saying that now.
l2.Evidence that The Leader had already planned to step down before the uprisings. This shows
there was already a transition going on. It also helps him save face for when he does step down
because it will look like that was the plan all along.
l3.A list of tribes and location known to be loyal to Regime, those pledging loyalty to Opposition,
and the remaining ones that have not pledged either way. The population of each group as well,
This shows that the Rebels don't have the full support of the country.
l4.A list and description (including date and location) of humanitarian efforts by Regime since this
started, or their attempts to aid the civilian population, and any efforts blocked by NATO or the
Rebels.
It will be used for:
A) A lawsuit against
B) Defending Saif in the ICC
C) Publicity to reform the image of Regime.
D) To help negotiation positions

[NJMaverick]

Dennis should be expelled from Congress. He should also face treason charges if applicable

[jaxx]

(08-31-2011 01:08 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  Dennis should be expelled from Congress. He should also face treason charges if applicable

Not looking good for Kucinich. His disclaimer is thin.

[jaxx]

That disclaimer by Kooch wasn't in the original piece I cited which said they were awaiting comments from the WH and Kucinich. It's new and the WaPo thing I could find is this from May 27th. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2cha..._blog.html .

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<..> Kucinich, for his part, already landed in hot water earlier this year for traveling to Syria to meet with President Bashar al-Assad. Last week, The Guardian reported that the Qaddafi regime had offered Kucinich an all-expenses paid "peace mission" to Libya, which the congressman ultimately declined because of "security concerns." In a statement on Friday that sounded very similar to Kucinich's justification for visiting Assad, the representative explained, "In my efforts to end the war, I have been contacted by many parties--including members of the Qaddafi regime and some with ties to the rebels. Reaching a just and peaceful solution requires listening to all sides." We've reached out to Kucinich's office about Al Jazeera's latest report, and we'll update this post if we hear back.

Then this:

Quote:Al Jazeera found a document written by a Libyan bureaucrat to other Libyan bureaucrats. All it proves is that the Libyans were reading the Washington Post, and read there about my efforts to stop the war. I can't help what the Libyans put in their files. My opposition to the war in Libya, even before it formally started, was public and well known. My questions about the legitimacy of the war, who the opposition was, and what NATO was doing, were also well known and consistent with my official duties. Any implication I was doing anything other than trying to bring an end to an unauthorized war is fiction.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/20...ion/41953/

[jaxx]

This looks like it was being walked back earlier:

From Aug. 25th.

<..> The Guardian also has letters the regime sent to Democratic congressman Dennis Kucinich offering an all-expenses paid "peace mission" to Libya. The congressman confirmed the invitation at first, but he opted out citing "security concerns" for not taking the paid-for trip. He had spoken out against Obama's decision to intervene in the Libyan conflict, and ultimately decided to go to Syria instead. He described his dealings with the Libyan government to the Guardian:

Quote:"Because of the efforts I had made early on to bring an end to the war, I started to get calls from Libya, including from the prime minister," the congressman told the Guardian. "He had taken note of the fact I was making an effort to put forward a peace proposal. I had several requests to go to Libya. I made it clear I could not negotiate on behalf of the administration. I said I was speaking as a member of Congress involved in the issue and willing to listen to what they had to say. But given that Libyan was under attack, it did not seem a promising place to hold meetings."

Kucinich is not the high-profile congressman Omeish claimed to have recruited. Kucinich confirmed to the Guardian that he had spoken with Omeish, but he told Omeish about his safety concerns about doing work in Libya. There are also letters briefing Libyan officials on "talking points" when discussing the conflict with international officials that instruct them, " to claim that the revolution in Libya is not a popular uprising but the work of al-Qaida cells."

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/20...ess/41756/

[Ikonoklast]

Dennis Kucinich now has more in common with Dick Cheney than anyone else.

That POS better come up with a better excuse than the one offered, or else his ass is in the breeze.

[jaxx]

Files: Americans aid Gaddafi in rebel fight

3:00 mins for the Kucinich part.

[Cha]

I saw this on TheObamaDiary..unFreakin'believeable! I also saw something where Dennis was calling it "fiction". Time to turn the tables on him.

[Born_A_Truman]

It will be used for:
A) A lawsuit against B) Defending Saif in the ICC
C) Publicity to reform the image of Regime.
D) To help negotiation positions

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Congress Members Sue Obama to End Libya War

by David Swanson l War is a Crime

On Wednesday in federal court, 10 members of the U.S. Congress sued President Obama in an attempt to end U.S. involvement in a war in Libya.
These are the plaintiffs: Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Walter Jones (R-NC), Howard Coble (R-NC), John Duncan (R-TN), Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD), John Conyers (D-MI), Ron Paul (R-TX), Michael Capuano (D-MA), Tim Johnson (R-IL), and Dan Burton (R-IN).
According to a statement from Congressman Kucinich:

"The lawsuit calls for injunctive and declaratory relief to protect the plaintiffs and the country from (1) the policy that a president may unilaterally go to war in Libya and other countries without a declaration of war from Congress, as required by Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution; (2) the policy that a president may commit the United States to a war under the authority of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in violation of the express conditions of the North Atlantic Treaty ratified by Congress; (3) the policy that a president may commit the United States to a war under the authority of the United Nations without authorization from Congress; (4) from the use of previously appropriated funds by Congress for an unconstitutional and unauthorized war in Libya or other countries; and (5) from the violation of the War Powers Resolution as a result of the Obama Administration’s established policy that the President does not require congressional authorization for the use of military force in wars like the one in Libya."

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So, who was it?

[jaxx]

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So, who was it? >>

Not sure what you mean Pat.

[Born_A_Truman]

(08-31-2011 04:09 PM)jaxx Wrote:  ===
So, who was it? >>

Not sure what you mean Pat.

If it wasn't Kucinich, who was it?

[jaxx]

(08-31-2011 04:51 PM)Born_A_Truman Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 04:09 PM)jaxx Wrote:  ===
So, who was it? >>

Not sure what you mean Pat.

If it wasn't Kucinich, who was it?

Kucinich is the one who got the lawsuit going. His name comes first too on the suit: http://warisacrime.org/sites/afterdownin...plaint.pdf but that could be just a coincidence. Also he said he wanted to impeach PBO.



I'm looking to see which congressmen visited Libya....so far have found McCain.

[jaxx]

Cynthia McKinney, who recently visited the war-ravaged country with the Dignity delegation.
http://www.workers.org/2011/world/libya_0818/

Curt Weldon, http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/form...ek-gadhafi

Dennis Kucinich http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/catego...s_congress

That's all I can find. Two formers and one current.

[Born_A_Truman]

Would the Al-Jazerra reporter named Kucinich without being double-triple sure it was him? Are they careless like that and don't source info?

[Cha]

(08-31-2011 06:12 PM)Born_A_Truman Wrote:  Would the Al-Jazerra reporter named Kucinich without being double-triple sure it was him? Are they careless like that and don't source info?

I found this..

"Al Jazeera Says Kucinich Worked With Qaddafis, Kucinich Denies"

Quote:Kucinich, for his part, already landed in hot water earlier this year for traveling to Syria to meet with President Bashar al-Assad. Last week, The Guardian reported that the Qaddafi regime had offered Kucinich an all-expenses paid "peace mission" to Libya, which the congressman ultimately declined because of "security concerns." In a statement on Friday that sounded very similar to Kucinich's justification for visiting Assad, the representative explained, "In my efforts to end the war, I have been contacted by many parties--including members of the Qaddafi regime and some with ties to the rebels. Reaching a just and peaceful solution requires listening to all sides." We've reached out to Kucinich's office about Al Jazeera's latest report, and we'll update this post if we hear back.

>All the while helping dennis' campaign to nowhere, no doubt<
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/20...ion/41953/

[jaxx]

Who knows. It's so nice when Democrats sue the Democratic President and threaten to impeach him.