Extreme Liberal - How To Deal With Dysfunction On The Left!

[Joan Ruaiz]

Very good piece to explain much nonsense-

Quote:The left wing in this country has been fickle and dysfunctional when it comes to electoral politics for a long time. I remember Ted Kennedy throwing a monkey wrench into the reelection of President Jimmy Carter after challenging him in the primaries. That is just one example of how our party often sabotages itself, another would be the Gore/Bush race of 2000 when the refrain from many on the left was that there was no difference between the two. We all know how well that turned out for us liberals and the country. Elections matter, damn it.



Tien at The People’s View has another great post that helps to explain some of the different types of “non-supporters” of President Obama and how to deal with each type.


WAY MORE......

The reason that we have to discuss this particular phenomenon is because it is puzzling that some would not mind sacrificing all possible progress on their said pet issues (by allowing Republicans to win). These are supposed to be the issues that they profess to "care" so much about , and that "caring" so deeply about those issues is why they say they are so up in arms if Pres. Obama even blinks in a way they do not approve of.

It just seems difficult to reconcile how some would be more than willing to flush all of their causes down the toilet, never to surface again in the near future, just so that they can attack this particular administration (who has actually advanced their causes, no matter which one they are), day in, day out.

The fact that these "liberals" mention their "principles" constantly, and yet are willing to destroy the future of their causes in order to make a political point that would make things way worse for a real long time for all, is ironic, to say the least. This is to the magnitude of cutting off one's face, nose and all! It isn't rational, and that's the most puzzling aspect of it all.

Reminds me of the extreme opposition more than willing to take the country to the brink just to be able to say that it happened on Obama's watch, all the while swearing to be American patriots who cares about this nation's future deeply. It simply does not compute, mainly because it is horseshit.

Sometimes, hate is just hate, no matter how it is disguised, and nothing more.

[NJMaverick]

"I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat."

[Joan Ruaiz]

(08-23-2011 01:30 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  "I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat."

Guess my question would be....is one really a Democrat (other than in name only) if one is willing to take one's own party down to make a political statement that puts the other party in power?

It is one thing to have negative criticism to make (I do as well), WHILE ALSO being able to graciously acknowledge positive achievements. However, it is quite another thing for an individual to declare that he/she will NOT work, will NOT donate, and possibly will NOT vote for the Democrat, even if that Democrat has advanced many of the issues the individual claims to care about.

In addition to declaring one uselessness to the party in the ways that most count, if same individual is also working hard everyday to advance negative PR on same said Democratic official, and in so doing is indirectly assisting the opposition (while all along, so-called Democrat actually truly hates everything proposed by opposition by twice as much as the Democratic official), to me that's not a political strategy...its irrational behavior that is generated by more than what is reasonable. And I think this article explains well, why those types of individuals are willing to sacrifice everything to end up with worse than nothing. And I am starting to believe that one cannot reason with that kind of irrationality, because it has to do with something else beyond political disagreement on the approach to the advancement of certain policies.

[NJMaverick]

(08-23-2011 02:35 PM)Joan Ruaiz Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 01:30 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  "I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat."

Guess my question would be....is one really a Democrat (other than in name only) if one is willing to take one's own party down to make a political statement that puts the other party in power?

It is one thing to have negative criticism to make (I do as well), WHILE ALSO being able to graciously acknowledge positive achievements. However, it is quite another thing for an individual to declare that he/she will NOT work, will NOT donate, and possibly will NOT vote for the Democrat, even if that Democrat has advanced many of the issues the individual claims to care about.

In addition to declaring one uselessness to the party in the ways that most count, if same individual is also working hard everyday to advance negative PR on same said Democratic official, and in so doing is indirectly assisting the opposition (while all along, so-called Democrat actually truly hates everything proposed by opposition by twice as much as the Democratic official), to me that's not a political strategy...its irrational behavior that is generated by more than what is reasonable. And I think this article explains well, why those types of individuals are willing to sacrifice everything to end up with worse than nothing. And I am starting to believe that one cannot reason with that kind of irrationality, because it has to do with something else beyond political disagreement on the approach to the advancement of certain policies.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%, I was just musing about how this seems to be a problem for so long. If the Dems could develop even a small fraction of the party discipline that the GOP has, the GOP would go the way of the Whig party.

[Cha]

Yes, I read that the other day on The People's View and it was cross posted on ABL's..& now via ExtremeLiberal we have it here. Thanks Joan.

I don't run into many of them online thankfully and when I do at Benen's or some place..I can't resist throwing some facts their way. They've got hamsher, greenwald, and cenk types keeping them in the dark, shoveling manure on them, and working them into a frenzy of Obama Derangement Syndrome. I hope there's a chance that some will escape into reality.

That would be an interesting story. We hear about former republicons..why not former emos?

[Peacetrain]

It is so frustrating sometimes online because after a point in time.. you begin to realize that for some who say they are Democrats or Liberals, that it has nothing to do with policy and everything to do with a perception they have adopted and they will hang on to till grim death

[WIDemsFight]

Very well put. Extremely scary cartoon!