CNN: 52% oppose debt ceiling deal, disapproval for all involed

[Drunken Irishman]

Interesting poll from CNN on the recent debt ceiling deal.

It's pretty bad for everyone involved:

Quote:According to a CNN/ORC International poll conducted Monday during a House of Representatives vote on the legislation, 52 percent of Americans say they are opposed to the debt ceiling deal while 44 percent are in favor of it. The Senate passed the legislation Tuesday in a 74-26 vote.

Quote:The overall approval rating for Congress, now at 14 percent, is at an all-time low. Sixty-eight percent of respondents disapprove of how the Republican leaders in Congress handled the debt ceiling, 63 percent disapprove of Democratic leadership and 53 percent disapprove of President Obama's role in the agreement.

Obama's overall approval rating holds steady at 45 percent, but his support among liberals, at 71 percent, remains at a record low and more than half of all Democrats say he gave up too much in the debt ceiling deal. Just one-third of Republicans polled said their party's leaders gave up too much in the agreement.

Ultimately, it looks like no one came out the winner here. But it's just a flash poll, really, and I think we'll have a better idea in a few weeks when things take shape.

The most important thing will be this Friday, when the July jobs reports are released. Hopefully it's not as bad as they think it could be or Obama might get another round of negative press.

[Velleity]

Well, it's done. At this point I am less worried about whether it's good or bad and more worried about who will take the heat as our economy continues down the road to recession.

The underlying problem right now is that average incomes did not go up the last decade. We had 7% growth for the decade, which is the worst growth ever and most of that growth was in the financial sector which has grown to be the largest part of our economy that the financial sector has ever been. And on top of that all of that growth has gone to corporations who are sitting on the money because why on earth would they invest in labor and capital when they know none of us can buy what they produce already?

The debt ceiling deal does nothing at all to address that problem and to the extent jobs will be cut it only makes things worse.

So who is to blame? I blame the Republicans, so that's 1 voter.

[Drunken Irishman]

Agreed. The next big debate will be the economy. It's why this July jobs report is so important. IF the economy didn't lose as much steam as they initially thought, it could mean good things all things considered (you know, with the debt crisis dominating most of the last month). However, if it continues its downward trend, the debate will shift to that and we're in for another round of "WHERE ARE THE JOBS".

Republicans will be asking Obama this and I'll be asking the Republicans, since, you know, they promised a jobs program back in 2010 and haven't even drafted one.

But who will take the heat? That's the key question.

[SeattleGirl]

(08-02-2011 03:46 PM)Drunken Irishman Wrote:  Agreed. The next big debate will be the economy. It's why this July jobs report is so important. IF the economy didn't lose as much steam as they initially thought, it could mean good things all things considered (you know, with the debt crisis dominating most of the last month). However, if it continues its downward trend, the debate will shift to that and we're in for another round of "WHERE ARE THE JOBS".

Republicans will be asking Obama this and I'll be asking the Republicans, since, you know, they promised a jobs program back in 2010 and haven't even drafted one.

But who will take the heat? That's the key question.

The Republicans should be taking the heat, without question. I think it's time to start asking Boehner and the Republicans, "Where are the jobs?"

Of course, we still have to try and at least turn down the volume on the "librul media", which isn't going to be easy, but I think if we use every tool we have, we might be able to make a dent.

[RoyGBiv]

(08-02-2011 03:58 PM)SeattleGirl Wrote:  The Republicans should be taking the heat, without question. I think it's time to start asking Boehner and the Republicans, "Where are the jobs?"

They certainly should be. Time will tell whether they do.

It was bizarre today. Not 15 minutes after Pelosi made some remark about the Republican failure to stimulate jobs, a headline showed up in the top three on Google News under Politics pointing to an editorial that claimed Obama and Pelosi were to blame for no job growth. They'd had two years and hadn't created one job, which was a lie of course, but this has been the Republican mantra even before the ink was dry on the first jobs bill. The piece then went on to claim that Republicans have only had 200-some-odd days to get anything done, but they've been too busy trying to fix all the problems Obama created and that the White House has been obstructing their efforts to create jobs.

Now we all know this is bullshit, but that's not the point.

It took FIFTEEN MINUTES to put this out and get it knocked up high on Google rankings. The article was already written, and an editor/author inserted some current topical phrases to make it seem new. And they got it out fast.

I have yet to see the Democratic counter message in an editorial so easily viewable.

[Drunken Irishman]

(08-02-2011 05:25 PM)RoyGBiv Wrote:  

(08-02-2011 03:58 PM)SeattleGirl Wrote:  The Republicans should be taking the heat, without question. I think it's time to start asking Boehner and the Republicans, "Where are the jobs?"

They certainly should be. Time will tell whether they do.

It was bizarre today. Not 15 minutes after Pelosi made some remark about the Republican failure to stimulate jobs, a headline showed up in the top three on Google News under Politics pointing to an editorial that claimed Obama and Pelosi were to blame for no job growth. They'd had two years and hadn't created one job, which was a lie of course, but this has been the Republican mantra even before the ink was dry on the first jobs bill. The piece then went on to claim that Republicans have only had 200-some-odd days to get anything done, but they've been too busy trying to fix all the problems Obama created and that the White House has been obstructing their efforts to create jobs.

Now we all know this is bullshit, but that's not the point.

It took FIFTEEN MINUTES to put this out and get it knocked up high on Google rankings. The article was already written, and an editor/author inserted some current topical phrases to make it seem new. And they got it out fast.

I have yet to see the Democratic counter message in an editorial so easily viewable.

Definitely agree. The debt ceiling debate and outcome will be a distant memory once 2012 rolls around. It will be for every voter, including liberals who are upset at the moment.

The biggest issue going into 2012 will be the economy. Republicans have deflected for seven or so months now and they're doing it solely to undermine Pres. Obama.

Hopefully Obama turns the tables and goes hard at the Republicans. We need a speech to congress if need be where he maps out a new jobs bill that he can take and sell to the American people. We need something, though, because this current standstill is not going to benefit anyone.

Not me. Not you. Not the unemployed and certainly not the president.

Something needs to give. Either the economy starts turning around or we get this dialogue back on the economic tracks.

That's why this July jobs report is so important. If it's as bad as they're making it out to be, it probably signals we're heading for another recession. If that's the case, someone is going to have to make a move. If the economy shows signs of life, then maybe we'll luck out. But that's unlikely, as we're already seeing weak U.S. factory reports - the worst in two-years.

As much as I wanted to dismiss the idea of a double-dip, and questioned the concern back in 2010 when people were pushing it in May & June, now I'm starting to think it's the most likely economic outcome.

Hopefully I'm wrong and Friday we have a pleasant surprise. But right now, it's looking like we'll see a monthly decrease in jobs for the third straight month. That hasn't happened since August, September and October...2008.

[SeattleGirl]

(08-02-2011 07:14 PM)Drunken Irishman Wrote:  

(08-02-2011 05:25 PM)RoyGBiv Wrote:  

(08-02-2011 03:58 PM)SeattleGirl Wrote:  The Republicans should be taking the heat, without question. I think it's time to start asking Boehner and the Republicans, "Where are the jobs?"

They certainly should be. Time will tell whether they do.

It was bizarre today. Not 15 minutes after Pelosi made some remark about the Republican failure to stimulate jobs, a headline showed up in the top three on Google News under Politics pointing to an editorial that claimed Obama and Pelosi were to blame for no job growth. They'd had two years and hadn't created one job, which was a lie of course, but this has been the Republican mantra even before the ink was dry on the first jobs bill. The piece then went on to claim that Republicans have only had 200-some-odd days to get anything done, but they've been too busy trying to fix all the problems Obama created and that the White House has been obstructing their efforts to create jobs.

Now we all know this is bullshit, but that's not the point.

It took FIFTEEN MINUTES to put this out and get it knocked up high on Google rankings. The article was already written, and an editor/author inserted some current topical phrases to make it seem new. And they got it out fast.

I have yet to see the Democratic counter message in an editorial so easily viewable.

Definitely agree. The debt ceiling debate and outcome will be a distant memory once 2012 rolls around. It will be for every voter, including liberals who are upset at the moment.

The biggest issue going into 2012 will be the economy. Republicans have deflected for seven or so months now and they're doing it solely to undermine Pres. Obama.

Hopefully Obama turns the tables and goes hard at the Republicans. We need a speech to congress if need be where he maps out a new jobs bill that he can take and sell to the American people. We need something, though, because this current standstill is not going to benefit anyone.

Not me. Not you. Not the unemployed and certainly not the president.

Something needs to give. Either the economy starts turning around or we get this dialogue back on the economic tracks.

That's why this July jobs report is so important. If it's as bad as they're making it out to be, it probably signals we're heading for another recession. If that's the case, someone is going to have to make a move. If the economy shows signs of life, then maybe we'll luck out. But that's unlikely, as we're already seeing weak U.S. factory reports - the worst in two-years.

As much as I wanted to dismiss the idea of a double-dip, and questioned the concern back in 2010 when people were pushing it in May & June, now I'm starting to think it's the most likely economic outcome.

Hopefully I'm wrong and Friday we have a pleasant surprise. But right now, it's looking like we'll see a monthly decrease in jobs for the third straight month. That hasn't happened since August, September and October...2008.

Obama, the Democrats in elected office, and all of us who care about this country and it's citizens must start pounding this message out: That the Republicans have not done one thing to deliver on their election promises (hollow as we know they were), that we care about this country, that we need jobs, that we need an infrastructure program (I know Obama has an idea about an infrastructure bank), and that it will ultimately benefit the majority of people in this country, whatever their political stripe. Obama cannot do it alone (I know everyone on this site knows this), so we have to prod our Democratic Senators and representative, and we have to keep putting it out there in the Interwebz Universe, every day.

I know that Jane and John Q Democrat are not the only ones suffering here. Jane and John Q Republican are suffering too, so part of our job has got to be to get the word to them too that creating jobs through the infrastructure bank and other ways will benefit all of us.

[Cha]

cnn poll-

Edit to add:

"Who owns CNN, MSNBC, ABC?"

>snip<

TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner–the largest merger in corporate history.
Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA, Sub Pop (distribution) = the world’s largest music company.
* 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style, Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics (50%), and MAD Magazine.
Other Holdings:
* Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.

>more<
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php

[RoyGBiv]

(08-02-2011 03:28 PM)Drunken Irishman Wrote:  Ultimately, it looks like no one came out the winner here. But it's just a flash poll, really, and I think we'll have a better idea in a few weeks when things take shape.

The most important thing will be this Friday, when the July jobs reports are released. Hopefully it's not as bad as they think it could be or Obama might get another round of negative press.

I know I sound like a broken record with this, but I'm gonna say it again anyway.

We're not going to know anything meaningful about how this is playing with the public until we see how it affects the economy going forward. Initial signs are not good. But, they're initial signs, so we'll see.

I've stopped trying to predict the jobs report. It's been weird, coming out worse lately than even what the pessimists had been projecting. With the recent manufacturing report, the signs don't seem to be playing nice, but it could well fool us.

[KonaKane]

Given a generous margin of error, that's about a half and half split. Had Obama not flinched and we went into default, his approval would have plunged to the single digits because it would have been all his fault, you see. Had he given away the farm to the GOP, his approval would have plunged to the single digits thanks to the PL.

I can't see how one cannot call the this the best possible outcome.

[Velleity]

(08-02-2011 05:24 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  Given a generous margin of error, that's about a half and half split. Had Obama not flinched and we went into default, his approval would have plunged to the single digits because it would have been all his fault, you see. Had he given away the farm to the GOP, his approval would have plunged to the single digits thanks to the PL.

I can't see how one cannot call the this the best possible outcome.

That's the thing here. It's clear that PBO got about the best he was going to get out of it but now we have to deal with it going forward.

[Dimwitted Fool]

What this poll doesn't say is that 99% don't know what's in the deal. The details are clear, if anyone bothers to read them, but there are so many unknowns that nobody has the slightest idea how it will work out.

Spin is the thing, and if you firmly believe Democrats got hosed, Republicans got hosed, Boehner's the bad guy, teabaggers are scum, Obama sold out, or anything else, there's plenty of stuff to read to back you up without actually telling you anything.

What is clear to me is that jobs are dead meat with all this spending being cut and GDP growth will tail population growth for another year. If you were of such a mind you might think that there's a conspiracy to kill the economy before 11/12 just to make sure someone isn't re-elected. Why that someone doesn't seem worried worries me a lot.

Heating subsidies are chopped again,and nobody seems upset that FAA inspectors are working for no pay because some scumbag congressman is union busting on behalf of Delta. And they all just went on their summer break to stick their hands in our wallets for campaign money while everything else goes to hell.

Meanwhile, the NY Times today had two interesting front page pieces today, with pictures-- one on a half million starving children in Somalia and the other on two brothers who make a million a year each ripping off Medicaid in NYC. Oh, to strike while the irony is hot...

14% approve of Congress? Must have interviewed a lot of family members to get that high. No real reason not to hate the lot of them with the fire of a thousand suns.

(The heat is putting me in a really bad mood.)

[jaxx]

I can't see where the jobs report will be very good with all the FAA people who lost jobs. This is why the pubs leave the bill alone, they do not want to help with jobs. They want to control the country....or else!!

[Drunken Irishman]

Like I said, I think, maybe later this year, Obama needs to give an address to congress demanding answers. Put the pressure on the Republicans. Demand they produce a bill. They're supposed to be the party in charge in the House, well let's see what they've got!

[KonaKane]

The talking point is obvious, powerful and right in everyones' faces.

WHERE ARE THE JOBS, GOP? THE ONES YOU CAMPAIGNED ON?