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**Beetwasher** · 05-03-2011, 09:33 PM

Of that event.

This would be Obama as Beouwulf. The archetypal hero who slays the beast. There are deep, deep group psychosocial implications to this. And I think Obama understood that going in.

That's why he's ALWAYS been so insistent on getting Bin Laden. He realized it's deep symbolic significance. This was a deep game he was playing and he got into it a LOOONG time ago. And it was a game the Repubs started and that he made his own and then beat them at.

Remember. The Repubs created the boogey man. They filled him with power and significance. Obama took that totem and owned it. And defeated it. In doing so, he now OWNS them. He's taken their power and potency.

Obama played a very deep, group fantasy symbolic game here. And he won.

**Joan Ruaiz** · 05-03-2011, 10:10 PM

I concur. That's why they are currently lying without abandon...It is their only hope!

**Beetwasher** · 05-04-2011, 09:19 AM

(05-03-2011 10:10 PM)Joan Ruaiz Wrote: I concur. That's why they are currently lying without abandon...It is their only hope!

The first step is denial. They have to deny that he stole their mojo.

***There Is No Spoon*** · 05-03-2011, 10:24 PM

And as Rachel pointed out today on TDS, Bin Laden is not coming back to life. No amount of lying or pissing and moaning by the Republicans will make this fact change. Barack Obama killed the latest Republican excuse (terrorism) for scaring people and claiming that Democrats are soft on defense. Game over.

**Beetwasher** · 05-04-2011, 09:19 AM

(05-03-2011 10:24 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote: And as Rachel pointed out today on TDS, Bin Laden is not coming back to life. No amount of lying or pissing and moaning by the Republicans will make this fact change. Barack Obama killed the latest Republican excuse (terrorism) for scaring people and claiming that Democrats are soft on defense. Game over.

It's going to be very hard for the Repubs to lay a glove on him from here on out, that's for sure.

**Cha** · 05-03-2011, 10:28 PM

So well put..

"That's why he's ALWAYS been so insistent on getting Bin Laden. He realized it's deep symbolic significance. This was a deep game he was playing and he got into it a LOOONG time ago. And it was a game the Repubs started and that he made his own and then beat them at."

It does have deep symbolic significance.. and, the other reasons to take out bin laden is his long history of eluding capture and here he turns up in a million $$$$ compound after 10 years and still running the show and the money. Not to mention the tapes he's made and released before US elections to thumb his nose at and butt his fucking nose in.

**Eponine** · 05-04-2011, 08:08 AM

(05-03-2011 10:28 PM)Cha Wrote: So well put..

"That's why he's ALWAYS been so insistent on getting Bin Laden. He realized it's deep symbolic significance. This was a deep game he was playing and he got into it a LOOONG time ago. And it was a game the Repubs started and that he made his own and then beat them at."

It does have deep symbolic significance.. and, the other reasons to take out bin laden is his long history of eluding capture and here he turns up in a million $$$$ compound after 10 years and still running the show and the money. Not to mention the tapes he's made and released before US elections to thumb his nose at and butt his fucking nose in.

That's a great caption on that photo. Love it.

**OptimistesMaddie** · 05-07-2011, 01:02 PM

(05-03-2011 10:28 PM)Cha Wrote: So well put..

"That's why he's ALWAYS been so insistent on getting Bin Laden. He realized it's deep symbolic significance. This was a deep game he was playing and he got into it a LOOONG time ago. And it was a game the Repubs started and that he made his own and then beat them at."

It does have deep symbolic significance.. and, the other reasons to take out bin laden is his long history of eluding capture and here he turns up in a million $$$$ compound after 10 years and still running the show and the money. Not to mention the tapes he's made and released before US elections to thumb his nose at and butt his fucking nose in.

I think "Eluding Capture" is not the right term. I think the Pakastani's and Junior knew exactly where OBL was and they let him go at Tora Bora. I think that the evidence found at the compound may confirm something like that.

**Born_A_Truman** · 05-03-2011, 10:38 PM

**Beetwasher** · 05-04-2011, 09:20 AM

(05-03-2011 10:38 PM)Born_A_Truman Wrote:

That friggin' rocks! Notworthy

**DFLforever** · 05-03-2011, 11:16 PM

That's a profound insight, Beetwasher.

**Beetwasher** · 05-04-2011, 09:21 AM

(05-03-2011 11:16 PM)DFLforever Wrote: That's a profound insight, Beetwasher.

Thanks!

**nofurylike** · 05-03-2011, 11:36 PM

that is a tremendous, important analysis, Beetwasher. thank you for laying it out so well and effectively. i could feel that ring true, all through me.

thank you!

**Beetwasher** · 05-04-2011, 09:23 AM

(05-03-2011 11:36 PM)nofurylike Wrote: that is a tremendous, important analysis, Beetwasher. thank you for laying it out so well and effectively. i could feel that ring true, all through me.

thank you!

It's visceral. These types of psychosocial connections and symbols run deep. I think Obama acts in a manner that shows he's very conscious of these deep psychosocial group dynamics.

**nofurylike** · 05-06-2011, 12:32 AM

(05-04-2011 09:23 AM)Beetwasher Wrote:
(05-03-2011 11:36 PM)nofurylike Wrote: that is a tremendous, important analysis, Beetwasher. thank you for laying it out so well and effectively. i could feel that ring true, all through me.

thank you!

It's visceral. These types of psychosocial connections and symbols run deep. I think Obama acts in a manner that shows he's very conscious of these deep psychosocial group dynamics.

very interesting! you have a gift for analysis and sharing it!
i see what you mean about Obama, now that you describe it. i would add that i think that demonstrates the depth of his capacity for empathy and compassion.

thank you for provoking thought, Beetwasher.

**TheNewMe** · 05-06-2011, 03:45 PM

Maybe that contributes to how he thinks about symbols and their meanings - discussions he had with her, etc.

**nofurylike** · 05-06-2011, 11:48 PM

(05-06-2011 03:45 PM)TheNewMe Wrote: Maybe that contributes to how he thinks about symbols and their meanings - discussions he had with her, etc.

even more fascinating. i can see that an anthropologist would recognize the importance of symbols and meanings. talk about potent forces!

i often wish to know more about his mother. she must have been brilliant!

**Beetwasher** · 05-07-2011, 07:17 AM

(05-06-2011 03:45 PM)TheNewMe Wrote: Maybe that contributes to how he thinks about symbols and their meanings - discussions he had with her, etc.

Indeed. Awesome point and now that I think about it, almost certainly true (IMO)! Clap

***NJMaverick*** · 05-04-2011, 06:35 AM

his attack on 9/11 was all that was needed. It's human nature to seek justice/vengeance/revenge when someone kills your own. We all pretended that his freedom didn't bother us, but the spontaneous outpouring of joy showed that it really did bother and upset us. We as a nation felt powerless that evil doers could hurt us with impunity. This act ended those feelings.

**Beetwasher** · 05-04-2011, 09:26 AM

(05-04-2011 06:35 AM)NJMaverick Wrote: his attack on 9/11 was all that was needed. It's human nature to seek justice/vengeance/revenge when someone kills your own. We all pretended that his freedom didn't bother us, but the spontaneous outpouring of joy showed that it really did bother and upset us. We as a nation felt powerless that evil doers could hurt us with impunity. This act ended those feelings.

Osama was more than that though. The Repubs do this type of thing all the time. They create external enemies that they can wage eternal wars against. They are deeper levels of they human psyche that can be tapped into, Repubs do it all the time to stoke fear in order to manipulate the populace. Much of this is done on an uncoconscious level. Obama took the game away from them.

**Born_A_Truman** · 05-04-2011, 09:17 AM

Guess OBL won't be releasing another tape before the next election now will he?

**Beetwasher** · 05-06-2011, 08:46 AM

(05-04-2011 09:17 AM)Born_A_Truman Wrote: Guess OBL won't be releasing another tape before the next election now will he?

Good point!

***azmouse*** · 05-04-2011, 09:21 AM

Obama got Bin Laden without bullying, blustering, and bloviating. He went about this mission in a steely-eyed, no nonsense way.

I admire President Obama more than ever.

***There Is No Spoon*** · 05-04-2011, 09:38 AM

(05-04-2011 09:21 AM)azmouse Wrote: Obama got Bin Laden without bullying, blustering, and bloviating. He went about this mission in a steely-eyed, no nonsense way.

I admire President Obama more than ever.

Yep, no trash talking for Obama.

Republican heads must be aching as they try to square the fact that Obama is a black guy who plays basketball, but doesn't fit at all into their bigoted stereotypes.

**Beetwasher** · 05-06-2011, 08:47 AM

(05-04-2011 09:21 AM)azmouse Wrote: Obama got Bin Laden without bullying, blustering, and bloviating. He went about this mission in a steely-eyed, no nonsense way.

I admire President Obama more than ever.

Yup. Just get the job done. No drama!

**Julie** · 05-04-2011, 07:07 PM

I agree with this assessment Beetwasher. Well said.

Julie

**Beetwasher** · 05-06-2011, 08:48 AM

(05-04-2011 07:07 PM)Julie Wrote: I agree with this assessment Beetwasher. Well said.

Julie

Thanks!

**Blue_Roses** · (This post was last modified: 05-05-2011 05:32 PM by Blue_Roses.)

I think the fact that this was so low-keyed and that the "hoo-ha" that the Bush adminstration spewed in "Dead or Alive," and all the other "big" talk took the wind out of their pompous sails. Shocked

I like the fact that this was something that was "just taken care of" and not grandstanded about before hand. It shows real leadership and humility--the qualities that I love in my president! Clap

**Beetwasher** · 05-06-2011, 08:49 AM

(05-05-2011 05:30 PM)Blue_Roses Wrote: I think the fact that this was so low-keyed and that the "hoo-ha" that the Bush adminstration spewed in "Dead or Alive," and all the other "big" talk took the wind out of their pompous sails.

I like the fact that this was something that was "just taken care of" and not grandstanded about before hand. It shows real leadership and humility--the qualities that I love in my president!

Yup, I agree.