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The Plum Line: Does Obama Have Contempt for the Left?
12-08-2010, 11:06 AM
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The Plum Line: Does Obama Have Contempt for the Left?
By Adam Serwer

Yesterday, President Obama gave a combative response to criticism he's been receiving from the left for his proposed deal with Republicans to extend both the middle and upper income tax cuts. Sounding a note that resembled his rebuke to neoconservatives regarding the "satisfying purity of indignation" in his Nobel acceptance speech, the president said:

Now, if that's the standard by which we are measuring success or core principles, then let's face it, we will never get anything done. People will have the satisfaction of having a purist position and no victories for the American people. And we will be able to feel good about ourselves and sanctimonious about how pure our intentions are and how tough we are, and in the meantime, the American people are still seeing themselves not able to get health insurance because of preexisting conditions or not being able to pay their bills because their unemployment insurance ran out.

While there are a lot of easy rejoinders to the notion that, as the president said, America was "founded on compromise" it happens to be true. Not compromise with the British, but compromise between the states. When the president was referring to the three-fifths compromise that allowed slavery to continue in the ostensible land of the free, or the fact that original passage of Social Security essentially excluded large numbers of people (particularly, I might add, black people) he was referencing the reality that the story of progress, particularly liberal progress, has ever been one of noxious, painful compromise. That's a rhetorical flourish that doesn't reflect one way or another on the merits of this particular compromise, but it's accurate.

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Following press secretary Robert Gibbs' remarks about the "professional left," I think there's been a general idea in the liberal blogosphere that Obama has contempt for his liberal supporters, a notion that's likely to gain traction after yesterday's performance. But there's a reason why the president invoked FDR and not Ronald Reagan, why he reached for Social Security as a defining American accomplishment, and why he was comfortable invoking America's founding defects so casually -- something that makes conservatives go apopletic. It's because the president, for all his failures and disappointments, whatever his statements in public, largely still sees himself as a liberal. While many commentators have noted his apparent sensitivity to criticism of the left, I think it's probable that such criticism makes the president angry not because he hates liberals, but because he identifies with them. His defense of the Affordable Care Act, whatever you think of it on the merits, was an attempt to place it in the context of other historic achievements of American liberalism.

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Link: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-li...for_t.html

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12-08-2010, 11:17 AM
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RE: The Plum Line: Does Obama Have Contempt for the Left?
Very worthwhile read, thanks for posting it. I think the author has it right. There is no question, imo, that the President is frustrated with the "left", especially with the "professional left" but frustration does NOT equate to contempt at all.

I do find it interesting, to say the least, that the "left" believes criticizing the actions or perceived inactions of the President and the Dems is a positive, meant to "urge" him and them to do (fill in the blank) the way they want him to do or not do yet when the President responds with some criticism of them the response is "How dare he!!!", etc.

Total disconnect with their own dots, imo.
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12-08-2010, 11:23 AM
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(12-08-2010 11:17 AM)spazito Wrote:  Very worthwhile read, thanks for posting it. I think the author has it right. There is no question, imo, that the President is frustrated with the "left", especially with the "professional left" but frustration does NOT equate to contempt at all.

I do find it interesting, to say the least, that the "left" believes criticizing the actions or perceived inactions of the President and the Dems is a positive, meant to "urge" him and them to do (fill in the blank) the way they want him to do or not do yet when the President responds with some criticism of them the response is "How dare he!!!", etc.

Total disconnect with their own dots, imo.

Yep. They think it's just fine and dandy to rake Obama over the coals for any and everything, but when he calls them on it, they are oh so offended.

I'm tired of their pearl clutching, and frankly, I'm glad Obama called them out.

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12-08-2010, 12:42 PM
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I am too! He did the right thing by calling them out! It would be one thing if they were actually providing constructive criticism but they are attacking him on everything.

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12-08-2010, 01:32 PM
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Not near as much as I have.

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12-09-2010, 06:07 PM
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(12-08-2010 01:32 PM)Ikonoklast Wrote:  Not near as much as I have.

Best stay clear of youknowwhere today. The haters are flying their flags high with no impediment from the admin there. It's truly repulsive.

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12-08-2010, 02:40 PM
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I can understand that - I find elmbaggers far worse than right wingers. I expected more from them and am disappointed in their childishness, weakness, and the fact they can't stay on task for very long without carping.

Reminds me of people who are like that - you go somewhere with them and they are so quick to complain about things - some people just can't let anything that bothers them just pass.

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12-08-2010, 02:49 PM
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(12-08-2010 11:06 AM)SeattleGirl Wrote:  By Adam Serwer

Yesterday, President Obama gave a combative response to criticism he's been receiving from the left for his proposed deal with Republicans to extend both the middle and upper income tax cuts. Sounding a note that resembled his rebuke to neoconservatives regarding the "satisfying purity of indignation" in his Nobel acceptance speech, the president said:

Now, if that's the standard by which we are measuring success or core principles, then let's face it, we will never get anything done. People will have the satisfaction of having a purist position and no victories for the American people. And we will be able to feel good about ourselves and sanctimonious about how pure our intentions are and how tough we are, and in the meantime, the American people are still seeing themselves not able to get health insurance because of preexisting conditions or not being able to pay their bills because their unemployment insurance ran out.

While there are a lot of easy rejoinders to the notion that, as the president said, America was "founded on compromise" it happens to be true. Not compromise with the British, but compromise between the states. When the president was referring to the three-fifths compromise that allowed slavery to continue in the ostensible land of the free, or the fact that original passage of Social Security essentially excluded large numbers of people (particularly, I might add, black people) he was referencing the reality that the story of progress, particularly liberal progress, has ever been one of noxious, painful compromise. That's a rhetorical flourish that doesn't reflect one way or another on the merits of this particular compromise, but it's accurate.

<snip>

Following press secretary Robert Gibbs' remarks about the "professional left," I think there's been a general idea in the liberal blogosphere that Obama has contempt for his liberal supporters, a notion that's likely to gain traction after yesterday's performance. But there's a reason why the president invoked FDR and not Ronald Reagan, why he reached for Social Security as a defining American accomplishment, and why he was comfortable invoking America's founding defects so casually -- something that makes conservatives go apopletic. It's because the president, for all his failures and disappointments, whatever his statements in public, largely still sees himself as a liberal. While many commentators have noted his apparent sensitivity to criticism of the left, I think it's probable that such criticism makes the president angry not because he hates liberals, but because he identifies with them. His defense of the Affordable Care Act, whatever you think of it on the merits, was an attempt to place

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Link: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-li...for_t.html

I think a better question would be is the left contemptible? When you compare the "left's" stated goals with their actions you see a serious disconnect.

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12-08-2010, 03:12 PM
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(12-08-2010 02:49 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  I think a better question would be is the left contemptible? When you compare the "left's" stated goals with their actions you see a serious disconnect.
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12-08-2010, 03:02 PM
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I'd posted this in the other place but I think the answer is this - also from the Washington Post - instead of speaking of contempt, Balz tries to see who the president is.

Obama charts his own course
By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 8, 2010; 12:24 PM

One of the realities about President Obama is the degree to which he is a singular politician, a self-contained person who rose to power largely on the strength of his own intelligence, guile and self-confidence. He has always charted his own course - one that sometimes defied the customary or approved path - relying on himself and his own instincts rather than on others.

He has taken the route that made the most sense to him and will continue to do so. He conveyed all this clearly Tuesday. If not exactly a defining moment, his news conference was certainly a revealing moment, a lecture by the president to those he sees as the absolutists in his own party, a warning to them to give him the slack to govern in a way that he is convinced will help them all.

If he was disdainful of the Republicans with whom he cut the deal- and he was, likening them at one moment to hostage-takers ready to do harm to the middle class - he was remarkably direct with those in his party who have questioned the terms of the agreement and the strength of his spine.


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12-08-2010, 03:15 PM
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I'm happy about this whole showdown. On the one hand, it's an example of how not to work together - which is obviously something they need to fix. On the other, at least Obama is openly getting into the battle, which is a good first step in resolving the perceived lack of coordination between the President and Congress. You have to get into a fight before you make up Smile Hug

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