I wonder if those on the left that sat on the hands or wallets the last electiion

[NJMaverick]

still think there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans

[Andy823]

(02-21-2011 10:33 AM)NJMaverick Wrote:  still think there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans

Good question. I wonder if they think it was worth them make a point by not voting? The thing people can't understand is we can't always have every thing go "our" way. At times we need to take what we can get and live to fight another day, not stand our ground and get nothing in return!

We now have republicans in charge of a majority of states. We have the republican governors trying to take down the unions. We have the house controlled by republicans and they are trying to take away every program they hate, the ones that help those in need! We have oil prices and gas price rising, maybe close to the same levels we had the last years of Bush. Food prices are rising because speculators are trying to make their next fortune by manipulating the prices.

Yes, I sure hope people who want to make a "statement" so they stayed home and didn't vote are happy now!

[OptimistesMaddie]

Just as those that voted for Nader still believe their votes had nothing to do with the loss. I would suggest that those that sat out of participating in the Democratic loss across the country will not accept any responsibility for what is happening. By not participating their non-votes helped the Republicans win seats in state elections. If they are impacted by these proposed changes that these extreme Repugs are trying to implement maybe the non-voters will have learned a valuable lesson. If it was their goal to punish President Obama then they were very short-sighted about other impacts.

[azmouse]

I hope those Democrats have learned the lesson that there is a huge difference between the parties.
Nothing is showing it more than the demonstrations right now in Wisconsin.

[Velleity]

(02-21-2011 10:33 AM)NJMaverick Wrote:  still think there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans

Who is dumber? "Conservatives" who aren't benefiting from the power and money grab, or the liberals who think there is no difference between "conservatives" and mainstream Democrats?

[Peacetrain]

Every time I see someone spout "there is no difference between parties".. I am just stunned by the statement.

The person who makes such a blanket statement is either a freak of the edge, who would never support the party at any cost or a conservative in sheeps clothing, (if you get my drift).

[There Is No Spoon]

"On the left' my ass.

[DFW]

I couldn't agree more.

I just shake my head in amazement when I see posts on some boards crying that both parties are run by the same group of "Corporatists" (whatever they mean by that), and yet they cheer when Democratic-led movements against extremist Republican action (Wisconsin won't be the last) make the earth move. Bringing 70,000 people into the street is a good thing if it is to protest an extremist Republican governor, but how the hell did an extremist Republican get to be governor in the first place? Because too many people thought his Democratic opponent was a "corporatist lackey?" Well, Pandora's box is now open, and whaddya know? The Democrat would have been a better choice after all. oops.

[Dimwitted Fool]

If the "discussions" I see on other boards are any clue-- none of them will own up to any responsibility.

It's your fault, my fault, the party's fault, the gone but not forgotten DLC's fault, or maybe sunspots.

But not theirs because "The party has to earn my vote."

(I should be losing weight, as often as I feel like puking.)

[NoPasaran]

I'm always amazed by those "progressives" who seem to think there was some golden age when the Democratic Party was some sort of militant working class social democratic movement before it was captured and led astray by the evil DLC corporatists.

[jaxx]

(02-21-2011 10:33 AM)NJMaverick Wrote:  still think there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans

Sure they do. And they're still saying so today. These are the people who think PBO is a sell out, an apologist, and worse. Pond scum.

[azmouse]

(02-21-2011 01:42 PM)jaxx Wrote:  

(02-21-2011 10:33 AM)NJMaverick Wrote:  still think there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans

Sure they do. And they're still saying so today. These are the people who think PBO is a sell out, an apologist, and worse. Pond scum.

Pond scum has more integrity than they do.

[sandnsea]

I'm beginning to think they're cowards who need someone to blame because they're too chicken to take a stand about the changes that have to be made. Oh sure, they'll muddle along in a helping profession, but that's a very different thing than going out on a limb to shake up the status quo.

[DFW]

If they are still defending supporting Nader, which gave us Bush and therefore Alito and Roberts and therefore Citizens United, then sure they still defend their letting the extremist right take over the House and the media.

"If you won't play by my rules, then you won't play."

Everyone who disagrees is a "corporatist" just like the extreme right says that everyone who disagrees is a "liberal." No room for nuance or moderation. "my way or the highway." gee, that DOES sound a little familiar, now that I think of it.....

[Julie]

Frankly I think they probably are quite happy. So much to bitch about, so little time! Some people are not happy unless there is lots and lots to bitch about.

Julie

[Dimwitted Fool]

(02-24-2011 07:29 AM)Julie Wrote:  Frankly I think they probably are quite happy. So much to bitch about, so little time! Some people are not happy unless there is lots and lots to bitch about.

Julie

I think you got it.

(Never forget that every silver lining must have a cloud.)

[DFLforever]

(02-24-2011 07:29 AM)Julie Wrote:  Frankly I think they probably are quite happy. So much to bitch about, so little time! Some people are not happy unless there is lots and lots to bitch about.

Julie

You got it!
Some on the left are as adverse to 'change' as the right, imo. They're happiest when operating from a comfort zone.
Nothing will ever be as they want it. That at least gives them some certainty in an otherwise confusing, chaotic world.

[Capn Sunshine]

Besides , the DLC was a lot of fun before it was disbanded by the Trilateral overlord and wine tasting society.

[azmouse]

(03-01-2011 06:55 PM)Capn Sunshine Wrote:  Besides , the DLC was a lot of fun before it was disbanded by the Trilateral overlord and wine tasting society.

I welcome our wine tasting overlords.

[Capn Sunshine]

My observations also:

1) many of us ( I blame myself) were so relieved to articulate this huge victory we grew complacent and let up a bit on our constant work for Democratic victory.

2) who knew how easily manipulated the low-info middle swing voter really was?

3) like our counterparts on the right, some (many) have matured in politics knowing only a role as the electoral losers and outsiders and became adept, nay , excelled, at carping and complaining about those in power. When it came time to govern, they did not have the capacity to go forward; they have remained comfortable as the outsider complainer bomb thrower role.

I hope we have learned our lessons well. The pain we have brought upon ourselves is even more hurtful because it was preventable.

[Joan Ruaiz]

So I don't think they learned anything about "All hands onboard" or as the saying that I just made up goes; if you're didn't volunteer to be a frontline soldier, don't point your finger while we fight, and if we lose the war, nothing you have to say counts, because you were missing in action when it most mattered.

[nofurylike]

i think that every day; some days, every hour, NJMaverick.


thank you for posting it as bluntly as i know most of us feel it!

thanks, all, for your excellent comments!