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"WHO'LL LOSE IF/WHEN REPUBLICANS SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT (AGAIN).... "
02-20-2011, 07:58 PM
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"WHO'LL LOSE IF/WHEN REPUBLICANS SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT (AGAIN).... "
Reposted with Steve Benen's Permission..thanks Steve..

"With 12 days left until a possible, arguably likely, shutdown of the federal government, there's quite a bit of talk this weekend over whether Republicans, just two months into the new Congress, will actually pull the proverbial trigger.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has offered a sensible way out, keeping the status quo in place for just a few weeks, pushing the deadline from March 4 to March 31. The point would be to leave more room for negotiations, though GOP leaders quickly rejected Pelosi's plan.

The talk, not surprisingly, is dominating much of the Sunday shows this morning. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told "Face the Nation," for example, he believes House Speaker John Boehner "seems to be on a course that would inevitably lead to a shutdown."

But while the wrangling continues, it's also worth thinking about the eventual consequences of the shutdown that may come a week from Friday. Newt Gingrich and congressional Republicans shutdown the government twice during President Clinton's first term, and while some government functions have changed in the 15 years since, the L.A. Times reflects on what happened last time to help set the stage for what might happen this time.

The Constitution and U.S. statutes prohibit agencies from operating without an express appropriation from Congress, meaning a lapse in funding would trigger layoffs and fractures in services.

Obama and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) each said last week that a shutdown would delay Social Security checks and disrupt other services considered vital to millions of Americans.

In the 1995-96 shutdowns, Social Security checks continued to be mailed, although many government payments were delayed as officials struggled to keep enough employees on the job on an emergency basis, as laws allow, to continue service.

Many other Social Security services halted, including responses to requests for retirement and disability claims, address changes and Social Security numbers needed for work.

During that time, museums and national parks were closed and applications for visas and passports went unprocessed. A downturn in the housing market was blamed on a halt to transactions involving the Federal Housing Administration and the Veterans Administration, now called the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Government economic reports were delayed, and federal employees went without paychecks for as long as the shutdowns lasted. Claims for veterans benefits also faced delays.


In many respects, it's hard to know exactly what to expect, because existing shutdown contingency plans haven't been tested. There are ambiguities as to which government functions are considered "essential" -- the Transportation Security Administration, for example, did not exist in 1996 -- and decisions have not yet been made about officials expected to perform "emergency" services.

But remember, as far as some Republicans are concerned, it doesn't much matter. Just a month before the midterm elections, Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) not only welcomed a shutdown, he delivered a speech on what to expect. Americans, he predicted at the time, will say things like, "Daddy can't go to the VA, the national parks are closed." But, Westmoreland added, just so long as far-right activists stand with Republicans during the shutdown, the GOP will "hold the line" and fare better than the last time the party pulled this stunt.

Also note, the economy was much stronger in the mid-1990s than it is now. In 2011, we have a fragile recovery, which will be put at risk if most of the 2 million civilian government employees can't work, can't earn a paycheck, and can't spend money.

Congressional Republicans, in other words, aren't just playing with fire when it comes to public services -- they're putting the economy at risk in order to push brutal spending cuts, which also put the economy at risk.

Thanks again, midterm voters, for putting the country in this position.

—Steve Benen 11:35 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (70)
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archive...hp#1902303

I wouldn't last very long without my Social Security Check and neither would a lot of other people. The Cons are playing with Fire and people's lives for a political stunt that should backfire on their asses in 2012 and the US Corporatemediawhores can't even save them.

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02-20-2011, 08:24 PM
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RE: "WHO'LL LOSE IF/WHEN REPUBLICANS SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT (AGAIN).... "
Boehner doesn't want to tick off the teabaggers, so it's hard to say what he is going to do. If he does shut down the government, he prove once and for all that he really does not care about the country, nor the people who will suffer! It will be bad for him and he whole party, of course the teabaggers will be happy, but that's about it.

I will be interesting to see how he plays this. Is he a real leader who will put the goo of the country ahead of the morons in the tea party, or will he crumble because he is afraid of the teabaggers will go after him next election?
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02-20-2011, 09:20 PM (This post was last modified: 02-20-2011 09:21 PM by Cha.)
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RE: "WHO'LL LOSE IF/WHEN REPUBLICANS SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT (AGAIN).... "
(02-20-2011 08:24 PM)Andy823 Wrote:  Boehner doesn't want to tick off the teabaggers, so it's hard to say what he is going to do. If he does shut down the government, he prove once and for all that he really does not care about the country, nor the people who will suffer! It will be bad for him and he whole party, of course the teabaggers will be happy, but that's about it.

I will be interesting to see how he plays this. Is he a real leader who will put the goo of the country ahead of the morons in the tea party, or will he crumble because he is afraid of the teabaggers will go after him next election?
I didn't think about Boehner being caught between a teabagger and a hard place. I just figured he's itching to since he's such a bagger..not caring one whit about this country as documented by what comes out of his mouth.

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02-21-2011, 05:43 AM
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RE: "WHO'LL LOSE IF/WHEN REPUBLICANS SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT (AGAIN).... "
Government Shutdown Looming: What Does it Mean to You?
Stalemate Over Funding Could End up in a Repeat of 1995 Crisis that Set Back GOP

<snip> "A shutdown can be, depending on whose exempted or not, pretty significant to all of our lives, absolutely," said Howard Gleckman, a resident fellow at the Urban Institute. "People don't think about how much it is that the government does for them. There would be no planes if it weren't for TSA and air traffic controllers. And as far as Social Security, somebody actually has to run computers to make sure checks run."

The five-day government stoppage in 1995 caused delays in processing of Social Security, Medicare and veterans' checks.

While the postal service kept going, the shutdown significantly affected other key government services. Veterans' health and welfare services were caught in confusion. National museums and 368 national parks closed their doors; nine million visitors were turned away.

<snip> During the five-day shutdown in November 1995, about 800,000 "non-essential" employees were sent home, even though they were eventually paid retroactively. The stalemate cost the government an estimated $750 million and dealt a huge political blow to the Republican leadership.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/governmen...d=12952627

Pretty good informational article. A shutdown would be bad in the short term, in the long term it could be deadly for this countrys recovery.

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02-21-2011, 01:43 PM
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(02-21-2011 05:43 AM)jaxx Wrote:  Government Shutdown Looming: What Does it Mean to You?
Stalemate Over Funding Could End up in a Repeat of 1995 Crisis that Set Back GOP

<snip> "A shutdown can be, depending on whose exempted or not, pretty significant to all of our lives, absolutely," said Howard Gleckman, a resident fellow at the Urban Institute. "People don't think about how much it is that the government does for them. There would be no planes if it weren't for TSA and air traffic controllers. And as far as Social Security, somebody actually has to run computers to make sure checks run."

The five-day government stoppage in 1995 caused delays in processing of Social Security, Medicare and veterans' checks.

While the postal service kept going, the shutdown significantly affected other key government services. Veterans' health and welfare services were caught in confusion. National museums and 368 national parks closed their doors; nine million visitors were turned away.

<snip> During the five-day shutdown in November 1995, about 800,000 "non-essential" employees were sent home, even though they were eventually paid retroactively. The stalemate cost the government an estimated $750 million and dealt a huge political blow to the Republican leadership.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/governmen...d=12952627

Pretty good informational article. A shutdown would be bad in the short term, in the long term it could be deadly for this countrys recovery.
Thanks jaxx! I was on Kauai at that time too just trying to survive after the Hurricane and not paying any attention to what was going on in the Mainland much less D.C.

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02-21-2011, 11:33 AM
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If they're stupid enough to shut down the government then they will be highlight the fact that we need our government.
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02-21-2011, 01:47 PM
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(02-21-2011 11:33 AM)Velleity Wrote:  If they're stupid enough to shut down the government then they will be highlight the fact that we need our government.
One would certainly think so.

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