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Repeal the Second Amendment!
02-06-2013, 02:36 PM
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Repeal the Second Amendment!
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"Paradox" is often a word that appears in this column; it's a fancy way of saying truth embodies its own opposite—in other words, there are exceptions to our most cherished beliefs, our proudest achievements, to every law, rule and principle, to mathematical models and even divine intervention, as there is one historically reported exception to the irreversible finality of death.

But in the national debate about guns and death, the National Rifle Association (NRA) makes no exceptions. They claim truth without paradox. Their leadership believes and expresses confidence the Second Amendment doesn't provide for any exceptions. Since no law can stop the use of guns for murder, there should be no laws. Since, in their judgment, old laws were ineffective, there is no need for new laws. Since laws will have loopholes and workarounds, what's the point? Their logic of default hides a fatal flaw found in the paradox of their absolutes.

That paradox is found not in their faith in the gun but in the law. They think the Second Amendment is set in stone. It's not. As with all bad law, it can be repealed. In fact, I will raise the ante and hereby call for its repeal. It wouldn't be the first amendment to be repealed.

Whether successful or not, it opens another political front and will force the NRA to divide its energy and resources. The call for repeal mimics the successful strategy of going after policy issues by swinging for the home run—by going after the law which is the context for the policy. The Second Amendment threatens my safety. I have been a victim of robbery at gun point. The right to bear arms has resulted in 1500+ gun connected deaths since the Newtown incident. This "cherished" ideal is tarnished. I call for the Second Amendment's repeal.

So the idea of repeal takes a page from the politics of our times and uses a power wedge to loosen up the rabid grip the NRA has on the national consciousness, where it gets to define the terms of the debate, the President's common sense views not withstanding. Let's bypass their command post and check points and flank the organization and boldly go after the ultimate prize: let's target repeal of the Second Amendment. No one tinkers around the edges anymore: officeholders are willing to topple America's integrity and credit. But they change their tune when it comes to guns. Guns are a protected, untouchable class, attributed to the Second Amendment. To the NRA and some in Congress, the Second Amendment is more important than America's economic health and growing jobs.

So let's trade guns for debt. Before final repeal is passed, match any cuts in safety net programs with major restrictions on guns and ammunition. If people who use earned benefits are dependent, then people who cling to guns are pathetic little bullies who can't handle their lives and replace their reality by fantasies of artificial courage to become imaginary heroes while others bleed and die.

Repeal Obamacare? Repeal the Second Amendment that has never lived up to its promise. Would repeal make gun ownership illegal? No, but gun ownership would have no more constitutional standing than milk, which is certainly better for you than a gun. The magic in a gun is its destruction. Its enchantment is its ultimate power to kill. A gun isn't penicillin or a panacea; honestly, its hypothesized life-saving power extracts a high real cost. That why the NRA suppresses research and never cites numbers that examine the consequences of its positions. The research numbers available fully support repeal of the Second Amendment, with the right of gun ownership being regulated by ordinary state and federal statutes. So forward this to your local media outlets and mainstream columnists. They can reach me, unarmed, on Twitter. I'm prepared for their onslaught and old nonsense. I live in the eighteenth ranked state for gun deaths.

Repeal the Second Amendment. The Constitution is being used to guarantee something it never intended. The Second Amendment opened a back door to a right to kill.
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Repeal the Second Amendment! #1 - walterrhett - 02-06-2013, 02:36 PM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #2 - walterrhett - 02-06-2013, 02:39 PM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #3 - pappy - 02-06-2013, 03:40 PM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #4 - sandnsea - 02-06-2013, 05:56 PM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #7 - canetoad - 02-07-2013, 05:22 AM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #6 - walterrhett - 02-07-2013, 03:57 AM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #8 - canetoad - 02-07-2013, 05:35 AM
Repeal the Second Amendment! #9 - 72ptheriot - 02-07-2013, 08:26 AM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #11 - sandnsea - 02-07-2013, 12:34 PM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #10 - walterrhett - 02-07-2013, 11:22 AM
Repeal the Second Amendment! #12 - 72ptheriot - 02-07-2013, 01:57 PM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #13 - sandnsea - 02-07-2013, 09:54 PM
Repeal the Second Amendment! #14 - 72ptheriot - 02-09-2013, 10:35 AM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #15 - sandnsea - 02-09-2013, 10:27 PM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #16 - suzie - 02-10-2013, 07:20 AM
Repeal the Second Amendment! #17 - 72ptheriot - 02-10-2013, 09:21 AM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #20 - suzie - 02-11-2013, 05:34 PM
RE: Repeal the Second Amendment! #21 - suzie - 02-11-2013, 05:38 PM
Repeal the Second Amendment! #18 - 72ptheriot - 02-10-2013, 09:37 AM
Repeal the Second Amendment! #19 - 72ptheriot - 02-11-2013, 01:11 PM
Repeal the Second Amendment! #22 - 72ptheriot - 02-11-2013, 10:12 PM
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02-06-2013, 02:39 PM
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Without the second amendment, "stand your ground would be be "head for the hills."

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02-06-2013, 03:40 PM
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How about an amendment to supplement and clarify the Second.

Among the things it might include are:

1. Making clear the distinction between "People" and "Person", as in "The right of the people" rather than "the right of a person". (Of course that might also be accomplished by SCOTUS)

2. Establish once-and-for-all the meaning of militia as it relates to the Second.

3. Establish a requirement for membership in a defined militia in order to access weapons not intended for hunting or personal protection.

4. Define the Second's parameters of regulation for the militia and weapons both for the militia and for any other purpose.

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02-06-2013, 05:56 PM
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This is the stupidest thing I've read in a while. Just hand them the win and move on the next issue. That's all this line of political strategy will get you.
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02-06-2013, 10:07 PM
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I don't believe any ammendment is absolute. The First Ammendment doesn't allow child pornography, slander, libel or yelling fire in a theatre.

Believe it or not, guns are a big part of rural America and some people still hunt for the food they put on the tables for their families.

This plays right into their paranoia of the NRA telling their members that what Democrats really want is to take away their guns and kill the 2nd Ammendment. Isn't going to happen! What is needed are sensible laws and enforcement of laws we already have.

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02-07-2013, 05:22 AM
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(02-06-2013 10:07 PM)Born_A_Truman Wrote:  Believe it or not, guns are a big part of rural America and some people still hunt for the food they put on the tables for their families.


Guns were and still are a big deal in rural Australia too. No one has taken the guns from the farmers, environmental cullers and legitimate hunters. They need to go through stringent checks to prove they have a need for a firearm.

Agree with Pappy that it's time to open discussion on the intent of the Second Amendment. This stuff was written over 200 years ago when a new and expanding colony had just cast off its ties to the British Empire. The men who drafted it were people of their time. Nothing more, nothing less. Times, attitudes and sensibilities change.

The gun nuts seem to have all of the USA mesmerised by their aggressive bullshit; from the politicians right down to the humble worker in the street. Why have you allowed this?
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02-07-2013, 03:57 AM
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The Right plays into racism, the war on women's rights, union, safety nets, and voting rights without fear. Progressives should (my phrase) tip toe?

Weigh the pros and cons:

Can not the Right be pushed back--hard--in the same way they relentlessly push against even the right to vote?

The legal right to own guns would remain, as it does for houses and cars. There simply would be no right derived from a constitutional reading.

Does every progressive have to adopt this? No. But is there a political benefit in have a strategic push of this on the flank while pursuing other strategies. I think yes.

A former police chief in Seattle has called for its repeal as have other voices.

By the way, I own guns. That right doesn't go away if the amendment is repealed.

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02-07-2013, 05:35 AM
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(02-07-2013 03:57 AM)walterrhett Wrote:  By the way, I own guns. That right doesn't go away if the amendment is repealed.

I should have dealt with this statement in my previous post. Apologies for seeming to respond to myself.

walterrhet- we've all heard and laughed at people who say, 'I'm not a racist, but.....'

As this gun-control debate rages, I've lost count of people who say, 'I'm a gun owner, but.....'

So, why not stop being part of the problem? You want an end to gun violence, get rid of the guns. Start with the people who don't need them for their livelihood.

Would you relinquish your firearms on principle?
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02-07-2013, 08:26 AM
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That's crazy. I used a gun already to protect my family and may have to in the future. I will not give up my guns. Not as long as there are crazy people out there. Not as long as the courts rotate evil people in and out the doors. I know you can find charts to say you are no more safer with a gun then without but shiver to think of what would of happen to my family if I didn't that night. Even after I had the person held at gun point it took a very long time for so called help to arrive. My wife and kids were already checked into a hotel before they arrived.

How will you stop guns from coming from Mexico? No telling for how many years back we have been sending guns into Mexico. We only know about presidents that have done it. No telling how for it goes back under different names. We can't stop the drugs how will you stop the guns. There is no way you can tell me none of those gun haven't found their way back into the state. Till our own government changes their own view of guns the people won't change.

I know as a party we should aim far the fences but would be happy with a ground rule double. Reform not abolish
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02-07-2013, 12:34 PM
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(02-07-2013 08:26 AM)72ptheriot Wrote:  That's crazy. I used a gun already to protect my family and may have to in the future. I will not give up my guns. Not as long as there are crazy people out there. Not as long as the courts rotate evil people in and out the doors. I know you can find charts to say you are no more safer with a gun then without but shiver to think of what would of happen to my family if I didn't that night. Even after I had the person held at gun point it took a very long time for so called help to arrive. My wife and kids were already checked into a hotel before they arrived.

How will you stop guns from coming from Mexico? No telling for how many years back we have been sending guns into Mexico. We only know about presidents that have done it. No telling how for it goes back under different names. We can't stop the drugs how will you stop the guns. There is no way you can tell me none of those gun haven't found their way back into the state. Till our own government changes their own view of guns the people won't change.

I know as a party we should aim far the fences but would be happy with a ground rule double. Reform not abolish

I agree with you and don't know how these people don't see they are playing right into the hands of the NRA. They will become the face of the "gun grabbers" and any attempt to regulate will die.

I did want to comment on one thing you said though, "How will you stop guns from coming from Mexico?" WHAT?? Guns get into Mexico from the US. That's the whole point of ATF gun operations, to stop US guns from going to the gangs in Mexico. If we did something about straw purchases alone, it would probably stop the gun violence in Mexico within a month. All of those killings down there are also because we won't regulate guns.
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02-07-2013, 11:22 AM
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Can we get over the notion that gun ownership depends on the second amendment? That's precisely why it should be repealed! The NRA promoted the idea that ownership is tied to the 2nd, and it's a false equivalency! It is intended to leap pass logic and reason to the hyper-sphere! With or without the 2nd, guns, like houses, cars, and thousands of other products, will still be for sale. Repealing the 2nd in no way eliminates the right to buy guns.

Here's a great collection of articles and views I curated that support the repeal of the Second Amendment. They range from the practical to the strategic. They address ownership and self-defense. The writers are gun owners, from Boise, Portland, OK, MN, and a former Seattle sheriff: http://bit.ly/V1imPC

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02-07-2013, 01:57 PM
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(02-07-2013 12:34 PM)sandnsea Wrote:  
(02-07-2013 08:26 AM)72ptheriot Wrote:  That's crazy. I used a gun already to protect my family and may have to in the future. I will not give up my guns. Not as long as there are crazy people out there. Not as long as the courts rotate evil people in and out the doors. I know you can find charts to say you are no more safer with a gun then without but shiver to think of what would of happen to my family if I didn't that night. Even after I had the person held at gun point it took a very long time for so called help to arrive. My wife and kids were already checked into a hotel before they arrived.

How will you stop guns from coming from Mexico? No telling for how many years back we have been sending guns into Mexico. We only know about presidents that have done it. No telling how for it goes back under different names. We can't stop the drugs how will you stop the guns. There is no way you can tell me none of those gun haven't found their way back into the state. Till our own government changes their own view of guns the people won't change.

I know as a party we should aim far the fences but would be happy with a ground rule double. Reform not abolish

I agree with you and don't know how these people don't see they are playing right into the hands of the NRA. They will become the face of the "gun grabbers" and any attempt to regulate will die.

I did want to comment on one thing you said though, "How will you stop guns from coming from Mexico?" WHAT?? Guns get into Mexico from the US. That's the whole point of ATF gun operations, to stop US guns from going to the gangs in Mexico. If we did something about straw purchases alone, it would probably stop the gun violence in Mexico within a month. All of those killings down there are also because we won't regulate guns.

There is a large black market for unregistered guns now that come from Mexico. I'm sure they started in the US. It is literally meet in the middle of no where exchanges. I'm said to say I do know of people (family) that live in Texas that have done this. As the talks go farther to ban gun the more people will be looking for these guns. I was even offered one. I told them I don't want no part of it and told them they should be ashamed. Look at the prices people are willing to pay just with what is being suggested now.
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02-07-2013, 09:54 PM
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(02-07-2013 01:57 PM)72ptheriot Wrote:  
(02-07-2013 12:34 PM)sandnsea Wrote:  I agree with you and don't know how these people don't see they are playing right into the hands of the NRA. They will become the face of the "gun grabbers" and any attempt to regulate will die.

I did want to comment on one thing you said though, "How will you stop guns from coming from Mexico?" WHAT?? Guns get into Mexico from the US. That's the whole point of ATF gun operations, to stop US guns from going to the gangs in Mexico. If we did something about straw purchases alone, it would probably stop the gun violence in Mexico within a month. All of those killings down there are also because we won't regulate guns.

There is a large black market for unregistered guns now that come from Mexico. I'm sure they started in the US. It is literally meet in the middle of no where exchanges. I'm said to say I do know of people (family) that live in Texas that have done this. As the talks go farther to ban gun the more people will be looking for these guns. I was even offered one. I told them I don't want no part of it and told them they should be ashamed. Look at the prices people are willing to pay just with what is being suggested now.

If they can't be sold here, they won't go to Mexio through straw purchases and be brought back into the US - although honestly I think they go straight from the straw purchase or fall off the truck into the black market. Anybody offered you a machine gun lately? Nobody I know has any, and I know as many militia types as you do, believe me no place is immune from them.
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02-09-2013, 10:35 AM
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I know of two people,ones a fellow electrician that has filed down something that had made it fully automatic. Not sure if its true just taking their word for it.

In my younger days I use to sell food product for a company. Starting at the bottom I was give the product line of pickled pig feet and lips. Of course these products were targeted for lower income customers. Most of these stores were Korean or middle eastern. I have never seen more guns then the ones they had. Every spot they could hide one there were two. All types and sizes. Behind a counter of one of them there was a box of shirts (FUBU). The owner said take one if I wanted one. Digging though the box looking for one to take to my surprise there was an Uzi at the bottom. I would almost bet that most of these weren't legal.

FYI. Most if these stores sell drugs right out of them. I was stocking shelves in a Korean store when a fellow came in and asked for a kit. I watch the assembling of this kit. One lighter, one piece of Chore Boy ( copper piece broken off the pad), a little glass tube with a flower in it, that's when the owner went into a box under the cabinet and pulled out a small bag of something. $25 dollars and he went on his way.

There was one I use to go to that got busted. The owners brother owned a shrimp boat and would take the boat to Texas to pick up drugs and bring them back to La. along with shrimp. The drugs were sold in this store plus several others the family owned all over the state.

Not long ago I wired their cousins house. Huge house,lots of money in it. He owns a store in a low income section of town. I can't say where the money came from for this monster house but with the family history I can only guess where.
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02-09-2013, 10:27 PM
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(02-09-2013 10:35 AM)72ptheriot Wrote:  I know of two people,ones a fellow electrician that has filed down something that had made it fully automatic. Not sure if its true just taking their word for it.

In my younger days I use to sell food product for a company. Starting at the bottom I was give the product line of pickled pig feet and lips. Of course these products were targeted for lower income customers. Most of these stores were Korean or middle eastern. I have never seen more guns then the ones they had. Every spot they could hide one there were two. All types and sizes. Behind a counter of one of them there was a box of shirts (FUBU). The owner said take one if I wanted one. Digging though the box looking for one to take to my surprise there was an Uzi at the bottom. I would almost bet that most of these weren't legal.

FYI. Most if these stores sell drugs right out of them. I was stocking shelves in a Korean store when a fellow came in and asked for a kit. I watch the assembling of this kit. One lighter, one piece of Chore Boy ( copper piece broken off the pad), a little glass tube with a flower in it, that's when the owner went into a box under the cabinet and pulled out a small bag of something. $25 dollars and he went on his way.

There was one I use to go to that got busted. The owners brother owned a shrimp boat and would take the boat to Texas to pick up drugs and bring them back to La. along with shrimp. The drugs were sold in this store plus several others the family owned all over the state.

Not long ago I wired their cousins house. Huge house,lots of money in it. He owns a store in a low income section of town. I can't say where the money came from for this monster house but with the family history I can only guess where.

There you go, you don't know anybody with an actual machine gun. You barely know anybody that modifies semi-autos. If they were all as hard to get as machine guns, criminals would go back to regular hand guns. Yes people would still die, but at least we wouldn't have to worry about being slaughtered everywhere we go. I now worry about going to the movie theater and mall. We no longer have peace of mind. And not because of terrorists, but because of our own inability to act like the civilized people we used to be. We gave into fear.
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02-10-2013, 07:20 AM
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(02-09-2013 10:35 AM)72ptheriot Wrote:  I know of two people,ones a fellow electrician that has filed down something that had made it fully automatic. Not sure if its true just taking their word for it.

In my younger days I use to sell food product for a company. Starting at the bottom I was give the product line of pickled pig feet and lips. Of course these products were targeted for lower income customers. Most of these stores were Korean or middle eastern. I have never seen more guns then the ones they had. Every spot they could hide one there were two. All types and sizes. Behind a counter of one of them there was a box of shirts (FUBU). The owner said take one if I wanted one. Digging though the box looking for one to take to my surprise there was an Uzi at the bottom. I would almost bet that most of these weren't legal.

FYI. Most if these stores sell drugs right out of them. I was stocking shelves in a Korean store when a fellow came in and asked for a kit. I watch the assembling of this kit. One lighter, one piece of Chore Boy ( copper piece broken off the pad), a little glass tube with a flower in it, that's when the owner went into a box under the cabinet and pulled out a small bag of something. $25 dollars and he went on his way.

There was one I use to go to that got busted. The owners brother owned a shrimp boat and would take the boat to Texas to pick up drugs and bring them back to La. along with shrimp. The drugs were sold in this store plus several others the family owned all over the state.

Not long ago I wired their cousins house. Huge house,lots of money in it. He owns a store in a low income section of town. I can't say where the money came from for this monster house but with the family history I can only guess where.

This is really unacceptable. It's bad enough that 72theriot comes here and gives us his Right Wing concern troll view on gun rights--"from my cold dead hands." But then, he's allowed to go on a racist rant about Asian minorities who all sell guns and drugs out of their stores.

This is like something one would expect on The Daily Caller, not DFP.
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02-10-2013, 09:21 AM
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These is a true story. When things happen like this in these communities it hurts the people living in the communities. I'm not making this up it happens everyday and not just just Korean stores. It was just an example. And not all of them. I never said all of the Korean store sell drugs. These are just some of the things I seem happening that I think is hurting these communities. I have seen selling of stolen goods and food stamp freud in a lot of these stores also. There was one middle eastern store owner that would smuggle money back to his home land for his family. He would fly back and forth carrying cash amounts over $10,000.00

I have also meet damn good people that own these stores. More then a few that literally lived in the store. Sleep,eat,bath,etc. they sacrifice a lot just to make a living. One family bought a grocery store called piggly wiggly. They walled off half the store and live in one half. They no longer sold meat there so they bathed in the meat cutting room. The room had these hoses for hosing off the meat cutting tables. These were used as showers. The nicest and hardest working people I ever meet. They sent a case of wine to my wedding as a gift. They could shutdown the store to attend.

So please I never said all Koreans. I do believe there are some of these stores no matter who owns them that are bad for the communities.
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02-11-2013, 05:34 PM
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(02-10-2013 09:21 AM)72ptheriot Wrote:  These is a true story. When things happen like this in these communities it hurts the people living in the communities. I'm not making this up it happens everyday and not just just Korean stores. It was just an example. And not all of them. I never said all of the Korean store sell drugs. These are just some of the things I seem happening that I think is hurting these communities. I have seen selling of stolen goods and food stamp freud in a lot of these stores also. There was one middle eastern store owner that would smuggle money back to his home land for his family. He would fly back and forth carrying cash amounts over $10,000.00

I have also meet damn good people that own these stores. More then a few that literally lived in the store. Sleep,eat,bath,etc. they sacrifice a lot just to make a living. One family bought a grocery store called piggly wiggly. They walled off half the store and live in one half. They no longer sold meat there so they bathed in the meat cutting room. The room had these hoses for hosing off the meat cutting tables. These were used as showers. The nicest and hardest working people I ever meet. They sent a case of wine to my wedding as a gift. They could shutdown the store to attend.

So please I never said all Koreans. I do believe there are some of these stores no matter who owns them that are bad for the communities.

Actually you did, 72ptheriot. You went on quite an extended racist rant about Koreans.
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02-11-2013, 05:38 PM
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(02-10-2013 09:21 AM)72ptheriot Wrote:  These is a true story. When things happen like this in these communities it hurts the people living in the communities. I'm not making this up it happens everyday and not just just Korean stores. It was just an example. And not all of them. I never said all of the Korean store sell drugs. These are just some of the things I seem happening that I think is hurting these communities. I have seen selling of stolen goods and food stamp freud in a lot of these stores also. There was one middle eastern store owner that would smuggle money back to his home land for his family. He would fly back and forth carrying cash amounts over $10,000.00

I have also meet damn good people that own these stores. More then a few that literally lived in the store. Sleep,eat,bath,etc. they sacrifice a lot just to make a living. One family bought a grocery store called piggly wiggly. They walled off half the store and live in one half. They no longer sold meat there so they bathed in the meat cutting room. The room had these hoses for hosing off the meat cutting tables. These were used as showers. The nicest and hardest working people I ever meet. They sent a case of wine to my wedding as a gift. They could shutdown the store to attend.

So please I never said all Koreans. I do believe there are some of these stores no matter who owns them that are bad for the communities.

Actually, you did talk almost completely about Koreans selling drugs in your most recent racist rant.

All of your racist Right Wing Concern Troll rants are based on "true stories" which get more and more fantastic if you're ever challenged.
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02-10-2013, 09:37 AM
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(02-09-2013 10:27 PM)sandnsea Wrote:  
(02-09-2013 10:35 AM)72ptheriot Wrote:  I know of two people,ones a fellow electrician that has filed down something that had made it fully automatic. Not sure if its true just taking their word for it.

In my younger days I use to sell food product for a company. Starting at the bottom I was give the product line of pickled pig feet and lips. Of course these products were targeted for lower income customers. Most of these stores were Korean or middle eastern. I have never seen more guns then the ones they had. Every spot they could hide one there were two. All types and sizes. Behind a counter of one of them there was a box of shirts (FUBU). The owner said take one if I wanted one. Digging though the box looking for one to take to my surprise there was an Uzi at the bottom. I would almost bet that most of these weren't legal.

FYI. Most if these stores sell drugs right out of them. I was stocking shelves in a Korean store when a fellow came in and asked for a kit. I watch the assembling of this kit. One lighter, one piece of Chore Boy ( copper piece broken off the pad), a little glass tube with a flower in it, that's when the owner went into a box under the cabinet and pulled out a small bag of something. $25 dollars and he went on his way.

There was one I use to go to that got busted. The owners brother owned a shrimp boat and would take the boat to Texas to pick up drugs and bring them back to La. along with shrimp. The drugs were sold in this store plus several others the family owned all over the state.

Not long ago I wired their cousins house. Huge house,lots of money in it. He owns a store in a low income section of town. I can't say where the money came from for this monster house but with the family history I can only guess where.

There you go, you don't know anybody with an actual machine gun. You barely know anybody that modifies semi-autos. If they were all as hard to get as machine guns, criminals would go back to regular hand guns. Yes people would still die, but at least we wouldn't have to worry about being slaughtered everywhere we go. I now worry about going to the movie theater and mall. We no longer have peace of mind. And not because of terrorists, but because of our own inability to act like the civilized people we used to be. We gave into fear.

I agree you. I have a harder time getting my work trucks to pass inspection for tags then it is to get an AR15. And my truck is taxed more. What about taxing gun owners. Hunting guns taxed lower then hand guns and people with military style guns taxed at a higher rate. It would help cover some of the cost for these large mass shootings. Maybe even help with some of the victims families medical and burial cost. If they can afford a two thousand dollar gun, then they can afford a yearly tax.
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02-11-2013, 01:11 PM
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Repeal the Second Amendment!
Here is another thing to consider. The price of 3D printers are dropping fast. You can ban every clip you want. When just a simple program you could print out your own thirty round clip. Hell why not a drum mag. How will you ban a geek installing a simple program. There are videos out now of people using these printers to make AR thirty round clips now. I can see in just a couple of years 3D printers will be in stores. Some kid could get a hold of one and print out as many of these as he wants out of his bedroom.
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02-11-2013, 10:12 PM
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Repeal the Second Amendment!
Your right Suzie I shouldn't of withheld that they were Korean. It doesn't make a difference. I am sorry for that. I still think stores like this are hurting the poor and the communities. Along with these cash advance store. I have one employee that doesn't know how to manage money and uses these thing a lot. The money he gives to them is ridiculous. Pawn shop also. They are just taking advantage of the poor. Again you are right I shouldn't of mentioned any race.
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