About That Drop in Liberal Support for Obama

[NJMaverick]

Quote:Back in early December, when all the talk was about progressive unhappiness with the president's decision to cut a deal with John Boehner on the extension of Bush tax cuts, Gallup seemed to offer some empirical evidence that Obama was paying a price with self-identified liberals' support:

Liberal Democrats remain strong supporters of President Obama, but their approval of the job he is doing has fallen noticeably since the midterm elections. For the first time, it dropped below 80% in the week after the announcement of the tax deal he brokered with congressional Republicans.
Well, whatever was going on then seems to have been an outlier or just a momentary blip. In the last Gallup presidential job approval tracking poll (January 3-9), liberal Democratic job approval ratings for Obama were back up to 87%. And in case you think that poll picked up some sort of backlash to the Tucson tragedy, Obama's job approval rating among liberal Democrats was even higher, at 91%, the week of December 20-26. Among self-identified liberals in general, the relevant support is at 76%, as compared to 69% in December 6-12. How about African-Americans? 93% now, as compared to 84% in December 6-12.

http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/

[pappy]

But they said on the internets that the liberals hate Obama and he won't run in 2012 because he is so unpopular.

Surely these facts are wrong.

[Velleity]

We have been saying all along that the "drop" was fictional. He never lost support. The discontent is over the economy, period.

[NJMaverick]

It's remarkable the illusion a handful of people with blogs or keyboards managed to create

[Velleity]

(01-14-2011 09:41 AM)NJMaverick Wrote:  It's remarkable the illusion a handful of people with blogs or keyboards managed to create

Isn't it?

[Dimwitted Fool]

(01-14-2011 09:41 AM)NJMaverick Wrote:  It's remarkable the illusion a handful of people with blogs or keyboards managed to create

"Repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth"-- it's not just for rightwingers any more.

[Velleity]

(01-14-2011 10:22 AM)Dimwitted Fool Wrote:  "Repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth"-- it's not just for rightwingers any more.

Oh yeah. There's a lot of that going around.

[OptimistesMaddie]

The drop was reported by the corrupt MSM, it was never proven. The polls they took I believe were corrupt.

[Velleity]

(01-14-2011 10:17 AM)OptimistesMaddie Wrote:  The drop was reported by the corrupt MSM, it was never proven. The polls they took I believe were corrupt.

I don't know if I would agree that the polls were corrupt, so much as the polls were meaningless because the questions are not asked in the right way. I think that if you are trying to be objective you have to discount the vast majority of the polls and you have to be very selective in terms of the ones you give credence to.

[Willinois]

(01-14-2011 10:17 AM)OptimistesMaddie Wrote:  The drop was reported by the corrupt MSM, it was never proven. The polls they took I believe were corrupt.

Even scientifically conducted polls are guesswork. They can't be taken too seriously. What's corrupt is that the minor drop in one poll is presented as a big story, but we here crickets when those numbers go back up.

[sandnsea]

I sometimes do surveys to get Amazon cards, that's my Christmas money. You might be horrified to know that these surveys stick political and economy questions in the middle of them. Do you plan to buy a luxury car this year? Oh why of course (ha). What do you think of the economy? It's stupendous. Oops sorry, you screened out. I think polls are rigged, absolutely.

[Treestar]

It's too easy for Republicans to go onto the internet and claim to be "disappointed" progressives.

The polls are at least more accurate than that.

[Velleity]

(01-14-2011 01:52 PM)Treestar Wrote:  It's too easy for Republicans to go onto the internet and claim to be "disappointed" progressives.

Ha!

And this is nothing new. At a board I used to post at there was a character who called himself "DemocratForBush". There were only three or four of us liberals, but we had a field day with this guy.

Democrat my ass.

Yes, they love to masquerade as disaffected liberals, and they love to whip up disaffection if they can. I even posted a link somewhere else to a website advertising for paid Republican operatives.

I would look it up again but I'm too lazy.

[NJMaverick]

(01-14-2011 01:52 PM)Treestar Wrote:  It's too easy for Republicans to go onto the internet and claim to be "disappointed" progressives.

The polls are at least more accurate than that.

Agreed, right wingnuts have figured out they can be far more effective pretending to be liberals and manipulating them, than trying to clobber over the head with their conservative ideology.

[Andy823]

(01-14-2011 02:00 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  Agreed, right wingnuts have figured out they can be far more effective pretending to be liberals and manipulating them, than trying to clobber over the head with their conservative ideology.

Yep, and sadly there are a lot of people who believe their right wing lies, and end up siding with them about the president. Most of them are the ones that are still upset that Obama won the primaries and still hate him for that.

[Velleity]

(01-14-2011 02:18 PM)Andy823 Wrote:  Yep, and sadly there are a lot of people who believe their right wing lies, and end up siding with them about the president. Most of them are the ones that are still upset that Obama won the primaries and still hate him for that.

The real believers are the wing nuts. It's not so much that a lot of people believe the wing nut lies. I think there are a lot of people who don't follow the debate. What the do is not so much buying into the lies, but rather they are splitting the baby under the theory that neither extreme is correct.

The truly disturbing thing that "conservatives" have done is that they have somehow managed to create an illusion that they're not extreme, thus moving the thoughtless herd to the right.

[Cha]

Good, then they're with me and those on the Progressive Website where I hangout.