Oops, Cher has upset Mormons

[canetoad]

Cher upsets Mormons with alleged slur
Los Angeles
July 2, 2012

Cher has upset leading Mormons in the US by using a derogatory term in a Twitter attack on presidential hopeful Mitt Romney.

The pop superstar, who is a fervent Democrat, sent out a tweet on Friday urging President Barack Obama and his aides to get organised or risk losing November's election to Romney, who is a Mormon.

"I Feel if he (Obama) doesn't get all his DUCKS IN A ROW we'll b forced 2 listen 2Uncaring Richy Rich! The whitest man in MAGIC UNDERWEAR in the WH (White House)." Cher tweeted.

Her remarks have upset prominent members of the Mormon church, who wear formal garments known as "celestial underwear". The term `magic underwear' is considered offensive.
http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/celeb...21ajc.html

[Drunken Irishman]

I'm offended mostly because I tire of liberals backseat campaigning. Obama is doing just fine, Cher. Stop with the handwringing.

[Treestar]

(07-01-2012 05:16 PM)Drunken Irishman Wrote:  I'm offended mostly because I tire of liberals backseat campaigning. Obama is doing just fine, Cher. Stop with the handwringing.

This.

And the underwear thing, that is weird. Mormons should expect to have to explain that.

[azmouse]

This little tempest in a teapot has got a lot of RWers panties in a bunch.

Love it, and love Cher!

[jaxx]

(07-01-2012 05:18 PM)azmouse Wrote:  This little tempest in a teapot has got a lot of RWers panties in a bunch.

Love it, and love Cher!

For every time one of the wingers makes a racist remark, says PBO isn't an American, called the FLOTUS Moochelle, mentions Rev. Wright, says PBO is a Muslim.......they have a lot of comments due to them from the left.

Put your big boy underwear on Willard and wingers, you have nothing to say about remarks you don't like.

I love it too, and chances are Cher would tell them to fuck off if they don't like it.

[OptimistesMaddie]

and respectful of others, I have no problem playing "smash mouth politics" with the Republican. They are allowed to call us traitors, they talk about killing us, they talk about us not having morals, they out right call for an armed conflict. Yet, we always play by the rules don't we?

We play by the rules because that is the honorable path to take. Unfortunately, while we play by the rules, telling the truth, accepting scientific fact, apologizing for everything we do. What do they do? They make racist statements, they talk about our lawfully elected President as if he is trash. Fuck them!

Let's not fool ourselves, this election is about the Supreme Court, the Repugs and the religious right are shutting down the last abortion clinic in Tennessee. Ryan is now using God as their reason for wanting to repeal the Healthcare bill.

Do you know that the Voting rights bill is up for a vote again? I think it is every 10 years it comes around.

Notice that when we fight up they get more reactionary and desperate? They are losing and they know it. This is what we want because they are on their way down the tubes.

[Peadar O Suileabhain]

There's no room for insulting a religious denomination. None.

[canetoad]

But for those who do, here is a list of synonyms for 'celestial'. Take your pick.

Main Entry:
celestial  
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: heavenly
Synonyms: Olympian, angelic, astral, beatific, blessed, divine, elysian, empyral, empyrean, eternal, ethereal, godlike, hallowed, holy, immortal, otherworldly, seraphic, spiritual, sublime, supernal, supernatural, transcendental, transmundane
Antonyms: earthly, hellish, infernal, mortal

[Arkana]

If atheists were as touchy as Mormons we'd be pissed off all the time. You've got to be used to some level of mockery.

[canetoad]

The way I see it, the more Mormons defend the magic underwear (as Cher and many non-mormons call it), the better it is for PBO.

I really don't think they would be wise to make a fuss over this.

[Fire1]

Well Cher, POTUS is not spending alot of money in Michigan and I hope for his sake that changes SOON.

[Drunken Irishman]

(07-01-2012 09:47 PM)Fire1 Wrote:  Well Cher, POTUS is not spending alot of money in Michigan and I hope for his sake that changes SOON.

If Obama starts spending gobs of cash in Michigan, we're in trouble. This is a state he should win and if it's in play, even with Romney's family being from there, I don't see a path to 270. The fact Obama isn't spending a lot of money there is because it isn't in play.

[There Is No Spoon]

I've only heard it called magic underwear, never celestial underwear.

[canetoad]

Naaaaah, let's all just unquestionably accept the concept of celestial underwear. Nothing at all weird about that.

[NJMaverick]

those assholes worked like hell to steal civil rights of gay people in California. Anyone that works hard to steal liberties and make others suffer are not worthy of respect.

[azmouse]

What Mav said.

[KonaKane]

I like Cher, but I have to go with Peadar on this one. There is tons to bag on Romney about politically, ideologically and with his personal behavioral history. Leave religion out of it, bashing a person's faith like that are a benefit to no one in the end.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 11:38 AM)KonaKane Wrote:  I like Cher, but I have to go with Peadar on this one. There is tons to bag on Romney about politically, ideologically and with his personal behavioral history. Leave religion out of it, bashing a person's faith like that are a benefit to no one in the end.

Quote:"I Feel if he (Obama) doesn't get all his DUCKS IN A ROW we'll b forced 2 listen 2Uncaring Richy Rich! The whitest man in MAGIC UNDERWEAR in the WH (White House)."

Explain the bashing of faith here...

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 11:43 AM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Explain the bashing of faith here...

Well let me use some alternative examples here.

"What an ignorant putz Martin Luther King is. After all what would you expect from some idiot who believes in an old dead Jew zombie."

"Oh there goes that do gooder Mother Teresa again. Wearing that dish rag for a hat and stroking her holy ben wa ball beads and praying to her invisible daddy in the sky. Pffft."

"I'm so glad that shithead Bishop Oscar Romero is dead. What a fool. Pretending to eat the flesh and drink the blood of some old dead Jew. No loss there."


Coming clearer?


Oh, woops, forgot to add this one....

"So Keith Ellison (D) is the first Muslim in the US Congress. Doesn't that make perfect sense. Now the Dems can claim a raghead. I'll bet he makes his wife wear a burqa while he does her."

Yeah, this stuff will REALLY go down the right road.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 12:02 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 11:43 AM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Explain the bashing of faith here...

Well let me use some alternative examples here.

"What an ignorant putz Martin Luther King is. After all what would you expect from some idiot who believes in an old dead Jew zombie."

"Oh there goes that do gooder Mother Teresa again. Wearing that dish rag for a hat and stroking her holy ben wa ball beads and praying to her invisible daddy in the sky. Pffft."

"I'm so glad that shithead Bishop Oscar Romero is dead. What a fool. Pretending to eat the flesh and drink the blood of some old dead Jew. No loss there."


Coming clearer?


Oh, woops, forgot to add this one....

"So Keith Ellison (D) is the first Muslim in the US Congress. Doesn't that make perfect sense. Now the Dems can claim a raghead. I'll bet he makes his wife wear a burqa while he does her."

Yeah, this stuff will REALLY go down the right road.

I guess if you use really really extreme examples like that, then you have a point.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 12:26 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  I guess if you use really really extreme examples like that, then you have a point.

Oh you don't think I've heard things like that IRL? Come on.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 12:27 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 12:26 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  I guess if you use really really extreme examples like that, then you have a point.

Oh you don't think I've heard things like that IRL? Come on.

No, I'm saying that I had no idea the expression Cher used was considered all that insulting until I read this thread yesterday. The others are knock-your-socks-off obvious.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 12:27 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 12:26 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  I guess if you use really really extreme examples like that, then you have a point.

Oh you don't think I've heard things like that IRL? Come on.

For instance, I joke with my (ex) wife about "beanie caps" when I have to wear one at temple. I joke about how idiotic Bishop hat look. I make fun of how the Catholic church has all the "idols" in it's church when Jesus was specifically against such idolization. I mutter "bullshit" when a priest says something that I think is complete right-wing hogwash during a service. I laugh out loud at the funky hats hasidic Jews wear (it's almost as if they're trying to be funny.) At Orthodox Christian services I am in awe at the ornate nature of their services, they are almost carnival like. And yes, I think it's hilarious that Mormons have "magic" underware. I respect religious people who respect humanity and actually do good for others, I could care less about their unusual garb or bizarre traditions. I will not be cowed into respecting people who do not respect me as a person who thinks actions are louder than words and shiny objects.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 12:42 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  .... I will not be cowed into respecting people who do not respect me as a person who thinks actions are louder than words and shiny objects.

Well said. You just made the case for knocking the person and their actions, not their religious belief. I know this is a big issue with me, but seriously, that tack is not going to gain us a thing. It is a conversation ender.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 01:34 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 12:42 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  .... I will not be cowed into respecting people who do not respect me as a person who thinks actions are louder than words and shiny objects.

Well said. You just made the case for knocking the person and their actions, not their religious belief. I know this is a big issue with me, but seriously, that tack is not going to gain us a thing. It is a conversation ender.

It's often a fine line to draw - the hypocrisy of SO many supposed religious people on the right cannot be ignored. Look at the blatant ignoring of Nuns on a Bus! How can they ignore these people doing Gods work? The work nobody else wants to do. The work they suggest should replace what government does!! It's mind-bending that they're being so utterly hypocritical when it comes to comparing their actions versus their words. I can't respect the religion these people practice as it's no religion at all - it's pure, unadulterated hate of those less than you.

[Blue_Roses]

(07-02-2012 11:38 AM)KonaKane Wrote:  I like Cher, but I have to go with Peadar on this one. There is tons to bag on Romney about politically, ideologically and with his personal behavioral history. Leave religion out of it, bashing a person's faith like that are a benefit to no one in the end.

True and it opens the door for more of the same crap from them about Obama and all that Rev.Wright mess again.

Talking about religion is a distraction from all the teeth-sinking issues we have against Romney. This recent comment by Romney's advisor about the healthcare tax/penalty and the video of Romney confirming he said this is priceless.

[KonaKane]

Yes, they are hypocritical. THEY have a lot of problems. Their religion, not really. When you smear that, you smear all the good people in that enclave as well. Even, I dare say, a lot of Democrats who would be your allies.

[NJMaverick]

(07-02-2012 02:27 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  Yes, they are hypocritical. THEY have a lot of problems. Their religion, not really. When you smear that, you smear all the good people in that enclave as well. Even, I dare say, a lot of Democrats who would be your allies.

Almost all Mormon Republicans (94 percent) have a favorable view of their fellow believer, Mitt Romney, but so do a surprising 62 percent of LDS Democrats.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/532808...n.html.csp

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 02:27 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  Yes, they are hypocritical. THEY have a lot of problems. Their religion, not really. When you smear that, you smear all the good people in that enclave as well. Even, I dare say, a lot of Democrats who would be your allies.

Unless of course they're also blue dogs.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 06:08 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Unless of course they're also blue dogs.

I don't criticize a Blue Dogs' religion. I criticize their deeds (or misdeeds).

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 06:13 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 06:08 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Unless of course they're also blue dogs.

I don't criticize a Blue Dogs' religion. I criticize their deeds (or misdeeds).

You were supposed to say "touche' "

[azmouse]

ummmm... this was Cher who said 'magic underwear', not President Obama.

I think you're all waaaay over-reacting to this.

[Treestar]

True mouse. One can hardly expect sophisticated political observations from Cher.

[azmouse]

(07-02-2012 04:08 PM)Treestar Wrote:  True mouse. One can hardly expect sophisticated political observations from Cher.

Or Matt Damon.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 04:33 PM)azmouse Wrote:  ....

Or Matt Damon.

Ohhhh you're really starting it now, arncha!

[azmouse]

(07-02-2012 05:48 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 04:33 PM)azmouse Wrote:  ....

Or Matt Damon.

Ohhhh you're really starting it now, arncha!

[KonaKane]

Sorry, my Demonetiquette is a bit lagging.

Touche.

[jaxx]

I don't see why Willard's religion is hands off. We've seen President Obama's dragged through the dirt since 2007. He made a big speech about religion back in 2008. Why should Willard get off scott free when people have questions? Let him make a speech and give some idea of his religious thoughts.

The only thing I think is hands off is the candidates under aged kids. I've stuck with that consistently through Clinton and dubya and Obama. When the kids make their own adult news, they are fair game.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 07:22 PM)jaxx Wrote:  I don't see why Willard's religion is hands off. We've seen President Obama's dragged through the dirt since 2007. He made a big speech about religion back in 2008. Why should Willard get off scott free when people have questions? Let him make a speech and give some idea of his religious thoughts.

The only thing I think is hands off is the candidates under aged kids. I've stuck with that consistently through Clinton and dubya and Obama. When the kids make their own adult news, they are fair game.

So you want to repeat the ugly behavior exhibited by the morons on the right, toward Obama's religion (and whatever they thought it might be, in their warped craniums)?

Really? I was always under the assumption that we were better than that. Or tried to be anyway.

[jaxx]

(07-02-2012 08:04 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 07:22 PM)jaxx Wrote:  I don't see why Willard's religion is hands off. We've seen President Obama's dragged through the dirt since 2007. He made a big speech about religion back in 2008. Why should Willard get off scott free when people have questions? Let him make a speech and give some idea of his religious thoughts.

The only thing I think is hands off is the candidates under aged kids. I've stuck with that consistently through Clinton and dubya and Obama. When the kids make their own adult news, they are fair game.

So you want to repeat the ugly behavior exhibited by the morons on the right, toward Obama's religion (and whatever they thought it might be, in their warped craniums)?

Really? I was always under the assumption that we were better than that. Or tried to be anyway.

We've been overly good and they have excoriated President Obama and the Democrats. They think we won't fight back. How many times do you walk through the door and get hit in the face before you figure out not to go back to that door without a club?

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 08:20 PM)jaxx Wrote:  We've been overly good and they have excoriated President Obama and the Democrats. They think we won't fight back. How many times do you walk through the door and get hit in the face before you figure out not to go back to that door without a club?

I agree that we have been spineless in the past....but is the best way to fight bigotry, to become a worse bigot? You have to be joking.

[jaxx]

(07-02-2012 09:32 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 08:20 PM)jaxx Wrote:  We've been overly good and they have excoriated President Obama and the Democrats. They think we won't fight back. How many times do you walk through the door and get hit in the face before you figure out not to go back to that door without a club?

I agree that we have been spineless in the past....but is the best way to fight bigotry, to become a worse bigot? You have to be joking.

I think you are reading more into what I said, which was:

Quote:I don't see why Willard's religion is hands off. We've seen President Obama's dragged through the dirt since 2007. He made a big speech about religion back in 2008. Why should Willard get off scott free when people have questions? Let him make a speech and give some idea of his religious thoughts.

That isn't being a bigot, that is asking that he give some definition. It's not making remarks about his religion, the founder of it, or the people who practice it. It's not calling anybody names, or demeaning one's preacher. It's not calling him the member of another religion. The man may be the prez, god forbid, and we need to know about him.

I don't give a damn what anybody's religion is.....unless it is going to affect the country or me. If it's not, say so. If it is, say so.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 09:45 PM)jaxx Wrote:  That isn't being a bigot, that is asking that he give some definition. It's not making remarks about his religion, the founder of it, or the people who practice it. It's not calling anybody names, or demeaning one's preacher. It's not calling him the member of another religion. The man may be the prez, god forbid, and we need to know about him.

I don't give a damn what anybody's religion is.....unless it is going to affect the country or me. If it's not, say so. If it is, say so.

Then ask the right question, FFS. Not "hey what's up with that funny underwear" but "how will your religion affect your ability to do the business of the people and not the business of your particular faith." THAT, oddly enough, is a valid question because of how the Mormon church is organized for complete obedience to the top (Prophet).

Seriously, is that so hard to understand? Stop making low brow swipes at faith (I expect that from the tards on the right) and ask meaningful questions instead, having to do with actual governance.

[jaxx]

(07-02-2012 09:51 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 09:45 PM)jaxx Wrote:  That isn't being a bigot, that is asking that he give some definition. It's not making remarks about his religion, the founder of it, or the people who practice it. It's not calling anybody names, or demeaning one's preacher. It's not calling him the member of another religion. The man may be the prez, god forbid, and we need to know about him.

I don't give a damn what anybody's religion is.....unless it is going to affect the country or me. If it's not, say so. If it is, say so.

Then ask the right question, FFS. Not "hey what's up with that funny underwear" but "how will your religion affect your ability to do the business of the people and not the business of your particular faith." THAT, oddly enough, is a valid question because of how the Mormon church is organized for complete obedience to the top (Prophet).

Seriously, is that so hard to understand? Stop making low brow swipes at faith (I expect that from the tards on the right) and ask meaningful questions instead, having to do with actual governance.

I can ask what I want. Your question might not answer mine.

And please don't use the word 'tards'. My niece will be 30 years old on July 4th and she is a developmentally disabled individual. She is a little bitty woman, who is non-verbal and spells better than I do. We love her and she loves us and the word 'tard' sends the wrong message about her. Thank you.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 10:02 PM)jaxx Wrote:  I can ask what I want. Your question might not answer mine.

And please don't use the word 'tards'. My niece will be 30 years old on July 4th and she is a developmentally disabled individual. She is a little bitty woman, who is non-verbal and spells better than I do. We love her and she loves us and the word 'tard' sends the wrong message about her. Thank you.

Oh my goodness, did I offend you? Here, let me consult with my incredibly pertinent choice of underwear and see if I can get an answer about that.

[Treestar]

(07-02-2012 10:04 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 10:02 PM)jaxx Wrote:  I can ask what I want. Your question might not answer mine.

And please don't use the word 'tards'. My niece will be 30 years old on July 4th and she is a developmentally disabled individual. She is a little bitty woman, who is non-verbal and spells better than I do. We love her and she loves us and the word 'tard' sends the wrong message about her. Thank you.

Oh my goodness, did I offend you? Here, let me consult with my incredibly pertinent choice of underwear and see if I can get an answer about that.

Now you're just being unkind, you could have backed off on that. Every religion has to put up with critics of it in the generality and people making fun of it - what religion is immune to that? None.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 10:07 PM)Treestar Wrote:  Now you're just being unkind, you could have backed off on that. Every religion has to put up with critics of it in the generality and people making fun of it - what religion is immune to that? None.

You're starting to sound like a right winger when it comes to taking "criticism" for race or being gay.

You sure you want to go down that road?

[jaxx]

(07-02-2012 10:04 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 10:02 PM)jaxx Wrote:  I can ask what I want. Your question might not answer mine.

And please don't use the word 'tards'. My niece will be 30 years old on July 4th and she is a developmentally disabled individual. She is a little bitty woman, who is non-verbal and spells better than I do. We love her and she loves us and the word 'tard' sends the wrong message about her. Thank you.

Oh my goodness, did I offend you? Here, let me consult with my incredibly pertinent choice of underwear and see if I can get an answer about that.

You're not dealing with a rank amateur here Kona. But you are funny when you get going.

About that underwear.........

[Treestar]

(07-02-2012 08:04 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 07:22 PM)jaxx Wrote:  I don't see why Willard's religion is hands off. We've seen President Obama's dragged through the dirt since 2007. He made a big speech about religion back in 2008. Why should Willard get off scott free when people have questions? Let him make a speech and give some idea of his religious thoughts.

The only thing I think is hands off is the candidates under aged kids. I've stuck with that consistently through Clinton and dubya and Obama. When the kids make their own adult news, they are fair game.

So you want to repeat the ugly behavior exhibited by the morons on the right, toward Obama's religion (and whatever they thought it might be, in their warped craniums)?

Really? I was always under the assumption that we were better than that. Or tried to be anyway.

The Rev. Wright thing and the Muslim thing were stupid, not really ugly. Mittwitt should at least answer basic questions. Maybe the underwear comment is a bit making fun, but then the underwear thing is very weird.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 09:08 PM)Treestar Wrote:  The Rev. Wright thing and the Muslim thing were stupid, not really ugly. Mittwitt should at least answer basic questions. Maybe the underwear comment is a bit making fun, but then the underwear thing is very weird.

So is wearing a block of wood on your head and bobbing at a large stone wall. Does that mean you want to bring the Jews to task on this?

You see where this is going, right?

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 09:34 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 09:08 PM)Treestar Wrote:  The Rev. Wright thing and the Muslim thing were stupid, not really ugly. Mittwitt should at least answer basic questions. Maybe the underwear comment is a bit making fun, but then the underwear thing is very weird.

So is wearing a block of wood on your head and bobbing at a large stone wall. Does that mean you want to bring the Jews to task on this?

You see where this is going, right?

No, we can't see where it's going because you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I don't a flying fuck about religious traditions. I can laugh at the idiotic traditions all I want and if you don't like it, don't laugh.

Magic underwear is funny and I'm going laugh at it and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I think about mormons. After the scary permasmile mormon cultists came to my door I do have an opinion of their recruiting techniques, however.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 09:51 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  No, we can't see where it's going because you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I don't a flying fuck about religious traditions. I can laugh at the idiotic traditions all I want and if you don't like it, don't laugh.

Magic underwear is funny and I'm going laugh at it and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I think about mormons. After the scary permasmile mormon cultists came to my door I do have an opinion of their recruiting techniques, however.

Then, congratulations. You are no better than the idiot who draws Mohammed with a bomb on his head, the cartoonist who illustrates a "Jew" with a huge schnozz and hassidic curls reaching to the ground, or a Christian as a zombie feeding on the flesh of Christ.

I hope that well fleshes out your resume to your satisfaction.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 09:54 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 09:51 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  No, we can't see where it's going because you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I don't a flying fuck about religious traditions. I can laugh at the idiotic traditions all I want and if you don't like it, don't laugh.

Magic underwear is funny and I'm going laugh at it and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I think about mormons. After the scary permasmile mormon cultists came to my door I do have an opinion of their recruiting techniques, however.

Then, congratulations. You are no better than the idiot who draws Mohammed with a bomb on his head, the cartoonist who illustrates a "Jew" with a huge schnozz and hassidic curls reaching to the ground, or a Christian as a zombie feeding on the flesh of Christ.

I hope that well fleshes out your resume to your satisfaction.

I have no issue with any of those cartoon descriptions you've described - in the appropriate context these cartoon depictions can be appropriate. You can't tell me that depicting religious people in funny ways should be forbidden.

I had a huge problem with those who wanted to kill a comic artist for depicting Mohammad in an unflattering way.

[Treestar]

(07-02-2012 09:54 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 09:51 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  No, we can't see where it's going because you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I don't a flying fuck about religious traditions. I can laugh at the idiotic traditions all I want and if you don't like it, don't laugh.

Magic underwear is funny and I'm going laugh at it and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I think about mormons. After the scary permasmile mormon cultists came to my door I do have an opinion of their recruiting techniques, however.

Then, congratulations. You are no better than the idiot who draws Mohammed with a bomb on his head, the cartoonist who illustrates a "Jew" with a huge schnozz and hassidic curls reaching to the ground, or a Christian as a zombie feeding on the flesh of Christ.

I hope that well fleshes out your resume to your satisfaction.

Weren't you from Utah, are you offended because of being a Mormon?

I admit the underwear seems odder to me even than the burqa. Don't know why.

But then so is a Catholic Bishop's outfit ( and I'm Catholic). Or the hair shirts and stuff like that.

If Mitt handles it as gracefully as Obama, what's the problem really? Though he maybe won't as he's not quite as cool as Obama can be.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 10:03 PM)Treestar Wrote:  Weren't you from Utah, are you offended because of being a Mormon?

I am from Utah, but not a Mormon. I was raised as one, and still have family and friends who are practicing LDS. That has nothing to do with my revulsion at low brow bigotry.

Quote:I admit the underwear seems odder to me even than the burqa. Don't know why.

But then so is a Catholic Bishop's outfit ( and I'm Catholic). Or the hair shirts and stuff like that.

If Mitt handles it as gracefully as Obama, what's the problem really?

So you lay the burden of bigotry at the feet of the accused? How Marilyn Davenport of you.

I have to say, I really expected better.

[Treestar]

(07-02-2012 10:08 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 10:03 PM)Treestar Wrote:  Weren't you from Utah, are you offended because of being a Mormon?

I am from Utah, but not a Mormon. I was raised as one, and still have family and friends who are practicing LDS. That has nothing to do with my revulsion at low brow bigotry.

Quote:I admit the underwear seems odder to me even than the burqa. Don't know why.

But then so is a Catholic Bishop's outfit ( and I'm Catholic). Or the hair shirts and stuff like that.

If Mitt handles it as gracefully as Obama, what's the problem really?

So you lay the burden of bigotry at the feet of the accused? How Marilyn Davenport of you.

I have to say, I really expected better.

I put up a lot with Catholics and I don't let it bother me.

[There Is No Spoon]

[KonaKane]

Well here, as long as we're rolling around in the muck...how's this?

[KonaKane]

Or how about this...

[Treestar]

(07-02-2012 10:12 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  Or how about this...

Jewishness is more complicated as it is an ethnic group too and not just a religion. The cartoon you quote has a lot do with that aspect.

If people want to make fun of beanie caps and menorahs, have at it. It is no worse than the underwear thing. Or laughing at nun's habits.

I don't think it is going to stop about the underwear. May as well handle it gracefully rather than be a crank about it.

[KonaKane]

Ooo! I got one, how about this! We're really rollin on that ol' PROGRESSIVE thing, now aren't we!

[Treestar]

(07-02-2012 10:13 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  Ooo! I got one, how about this! We're really rollin on that ol' PROGRESSIVE thing, now aren't we!

I wouldn't let the likes of that get to me. I don't think much of those Muslims who are ready to kill over somebody drawing Mohamed.

[There Is No Spoon]

[There Is No Spoon]

[There Is No Spoon]

[There Is No Spoon]

Underwear humor is funny!


Anti-Semitic cartoon contests are not funny.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 10:24 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Underwear humor is funny!


Anti-Semitic cartoon contests are not funny.

Ahaaa....so it's OK to make fun of a Mormon's faith, but not a Jew's. Interesting.

Stupid, but interesting.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 10:28 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 10:24 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Underwear humor is funny!


Anti-Semitic cartoon contests are not funny.

Ahaaa....so it's OK to make fun of a Mormon's faith, but not a Jew's. Interesting.

Stupid, but interesting.

Making fun of the underwear thing is NOT making fun of their faith. This is where you've gone off the deep end.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 10:33 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Making fun of the underwear thing is NOT making fun of their faith. This is where you've gone off the deep end.

Which shows you know exactly ZERO about the Mormon faith. Congratulations.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 10:50 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 10:33 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Making fun of the underwear thing is NOT making fun of their faith. This is where you've gone off the deep end.

Which shows you know exactly ZERO about the Mormon faith. Congratulations.

Other than knowing someone who got out and called it a cult and the weirdos who knocked on my door, you're correct. I don't know a lot about the Muslim faith either, so I'm sure I'd offend them accidentally as well (can you imagine me making some kind of silly remark about Mohammad? - yikes!) Fortunately, I wasn't put here on this earth to walk on eggshells, live and learn. If you're attempting to tell us that it's sacrilegious to make fun of a Mormon's celestial underwear, you're doing a piss poor job of it. But I still haven't decided that it's not a cult either. See where this is going? Fuck all these faiths trying to make me walk on eggshells. I believe in the teachings of Jesus yet I could give a flying fuck if you post a Jesus zombie pic - I thought it was kinda funny.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 11:11 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Other than knowing someone who got out and called it a cult and the weirdos who knocked on my door, you're correct. I don't know a lot about the Muslim faith either, so I'm sure I'd offend them accidentally as well (can you imagine me making some kind of silly remark about Mohammad? - yikes!) Fortunately, I wasn't put here on this earth to walk on eggshells, live and learn. If you're attempting to tell us that it's sacrilegious to make fun of a Mormon's celestial underwear, you're doing a piss poor job of it. But I still haven't decided that it's not a cult either. See where this is going? Fuck all these faiths trying to make me walk on eggshells. I believe in the teachings of Jesus yet I could give a flying fuck if you post a Jesus zombie pic - I thought it was kinda funny.

Yeah, I'm not surprised. More to the point, actually.

What's amazing is that a normally intelligent, forward thinking person as yourself is actually employing the thought of the loons on the hateful right. Every argument they employ against political correctness, as a matter of fact. They just cannot understand why it's not acceptable to malign a person's race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation or faith. They don't get why they are under pressure to be respectful, and keep the debate to things that actually matter.

Reagan was said to have made people comfortable with their prejudices again. I thought that those of us who considered themselves "progressive Democrats" rejected that as a throw back to the social ills that begat rampant racism and slavery. I guess I was wrong.

So have it, keep thinking that making fun of a person's faith is going to change minds, or is a valid argument on how our government should function. Keep thinking you live in the house of the Democratic Holy (pun intended) while you partake in the same sickness as the worst fucking morons (oh sorry, was that in bad form?) on the right.

Wave that banner. It's so convincing.

[Willinois]

(07-02-2012 10:33 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Making fun of the underwear thing is NOT making fun of their faith.

Yes, it is. "Magic Underwear" is a term of ridicule. And whether you find it offensive is irrelevant since you aren't Mormon.

[Fire1]

(07-02-2012 10:28 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 10:24 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Underwear humor is funny!


Anti-Semitic cartoon contests are not funny.

Ahaaa....so it's OK to make fun of a Mormon's faith, but not a Jew's. Interesting.

Stupid, but interesting.

Yeah, VERY interesting.

[KonaKane]

(07-03-2012 04:41 PM)Fire1 Wrote:  Yeah, VERY interesting.

Don't twist this around to benefit your known slant to anti-semitism, dude. I don't appreciate it and I have no use for anti-semites.

[KonaKane]

Let me give you a preemptive strike answer....NEITHER is acceptable to thinking people.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 10:31 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  Let me give you a preemptive strike answer....NEITHER is acceptable to thinking people.

But of course it's fine for you to get personal with your not-so-cleverly disguised direct personal insults, however.

Give it a fucking rest.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 10:36 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  But of course it's fine for you to get personal with your not-so-cleverly disguised direct personal insults, however.

Give it a fucking rest.

What's wrong TINS? It's all funny and who-gives-a-shit unless it hits you personally?

Guess who that sounds like.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 10:51 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 10:36 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  But of course it's fine for you to get personal with your not-so-cleverly disguised direct personal insults, however.

Give it a fucking rest.

What's wrong TINS? It's all funny and who-gives-a-shit unless it hits you personally?

Guess who that sounds like.

It sounds like I'd prefer that you keep the snide shots to yourself.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 11:01 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  It sounds like I'd prefer that you keep the snide shots to yourself.

Hit a little too close to home, huh? Maybe that's a clue for some self reexamination.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 11:02 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 11:01 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  It sounds like I'd prefer that you keep the snide shots to yourself.

Hit a little too close to home, huh? Maybe that's a clue for some self reexamination.

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 11:04 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

A little thought. Maybe about like NOT aping the worst behavior of those we have been opposing.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 11:07 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 11:04 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

A little thought. Maybe about like NOT aping the worst behavior of those we have been opposing.

Except that's not what we're doing here. Or at least I'm on a different page than you. I think making fun of religious symbols and dogma is the most fun an American can have. My father forced that into my head as he thought the silly routines he did as a choir boy in the Catholic church had nothing whatsoever to do with the teachings of Jesus. We listened to Alan Watts and discussed Zen Buddhism. That always hurt my head, but one thing it made clear was that idolizing statues, beards, rugs, underwear, stained glass etc etc etc has NOTHING to do with finding the truth. NOTHING. In fact, asking questions about why people do these things is a lot more therapeutic than succumbing to the zombie cult of the day, year, millennium. I will never stop feeling the pure joy of observing and inappropriately commenting about the physical "things" people think they're required to do to find enlightenment. For me, enlightenment starts in one's OWN head and it ends there. No other person can experience the world like I do. Yes, the world sometimes seems lost and barbaric when one thinks this way, but it's a heck of a lot better than the alternative.

[KonaKane]

(07-02-2012 11:27 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Except that's not what we're doing here. Or at least I'm on a different page than you. I think making fun of religious symbols and dogma is the most fun an American can have. My father forced that into my head as he thought the silly routines he did as a choir boy in the Catholic church had nothing whatsoever to do with the teachings of Jesus. We listened to Alan Watts and discussed Zen Buddhism. That always hurt my head, but one thing it made clear was that idolizing statues, beards, rugs, underwear, stained glass etc etc etc has NOTHING to do with finding the truth. NOTHING. In fact, asking questions about why people do these things is a lot more therapeutic than succumbing to the zombie cult of the day, year, millennium. I will never stop feeling the pure joy of observing and inappropriately commenting about the physical "things" people think they're required to do to find enlightenment. For me, enlightenment starts in one's OWN head and it ends there. No other person can experience the world like I do. Yes, the world sometimes seems lost and barbaric when one thinks this way, but it's a heck of a lot better than the alternative.

You are conflating a personal search for "truth" with a religious choice of another. That's a mistake. And no, no matter how you try to doll it up, it's still bigotry and a particularly ugly brand. I don't prefer to think that is "the most fun we can have as Americans". I think it's a fall back to the worst we can be, while we convince our own egos that's not what we're actually doing.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 11:41 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  You are conflating a personal search for "truth" with a religious choice of another. That's a mistake. And no, no matter how you try to doll it up, it's still bigotry and a particularly ugly brand. I don't prefer to think that is "the most fun we can have as Americans". I think it's a fall back to the worst we can be, while we convince our own egos that's not what we're actually doing.

If wearing celestial underwear has nothing to do with ... never mind.

Quote:Mormons believe that the holy garment will protect them from fire, bullets, knives and other assaults if the person wearing the garments have kept all of their "temple covenants". During the washing and anointing ceremony the Mormon is told the garment "represents the garment given to Adam when he was found naked in the garden of Eden." The person is told that the garment "will be a shield and a protection to you against the power of the destroyer until you have finished your work here on earth." In general, Mormons view the garment as a symbolic and spiritual shield against the powers of Satan. Some LDS believe that the garment provides them with "supernatural powers" of physical protection. Bill Marriott, prominent Mormon and owner of Marriott Hotels International stated in an interview with Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes that he believed his garments protected him from being burned during a boating accident.

I'm done with this idiocy (and I'm trying really hard not to giggle.)

[jaxx]

Ho hum, another food fight at the DFP Corral.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-02-2012 10:38 PM)jaxx Wrote:  Ho hum, another food fight at the DFP Corral.

I hope everybody is having fun, because I've laughed a lot in this thread.

[jaxx]

(07-02-2012 10:42 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  

(07-02-2012 10:38 PM)jaxx Wrote:  Ho hum, another food fight at the DFP Corral.

I hope everybody is having fun, because I've laughed a lot in this thread.

So have I.

[Treestar]

(07-02-2012 10:38 PM)jaxx Wrote:  Ho hum, another food fight at the DFP Corral.

Looks like Cher has gotten DFP going too! Just another one of her many accomplishments!

[azmouse]

[canetoad]

I attended a funeral this week. The husband of a couple that I know from dog walks died at 74 from pancreatic cancer.

A simple, unassuming couple, the wife asked me if I would have problems with a Jehovah's Witness service. I had no idea either of them were JWs as we never discussed religion. I believe they had both recently joined JW, possibly while Ron was sick. The subject of religion (or lack of it) never came up in our conversations.

So I sat through the JW pastor talking about 6000 year old earth and other concepts that I personally believe are absolute rubbish. I can separate a person's beliefs from who or what they are in everyday life.

It becomes a problem for me when non-religious people are expected to accept unquestioningly the most far-fetched, unscientific and bizarre customs embraced by mainstream and fringe religions; the whole gamut from transubstantiation and immaculate conception to celestial underwear, Xenu and body thetans. You need to draw a credibility line somewhere.

Australia is far less polarised on the subject of religion than the USA and I suspect more down to earth. I personally find the public professions of Christianity by Kevin Rudd, Tony Abbott and others to be unacceptable in politics. We are a secular country; there is no place for ANY religion in government. And I doubt the veracity of anyone who says that deeply held religious belief does not infiltrate public office.

So where do YOU draw the line? Could you accept a Scientologist as president?

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-03-2012 09:27 PM)canetoad Wrote:  I attended a funeral this week. The husband of a couple that I know from dog walks died at 74 from pancreatic cancer.

A simple, unassuming couple, the wife asked me if I would have problems with a Jehovah's Witness service. I had no idea either of them were JWs as we never discussed religion. I believe they had both recently joined JW, possibly while Ron was sick. The subject of religion (or lack of it) never came up in our conversations.

So I sat through the JW pastor talking about 6000 year old earth and other concepts that I personally believe are absolute rubbish. I can separate a person's beliefs from who or what they are in everyday life.

It becomes a problem for me when non-religious people are expected to accept unquestioningly the most far-fetched, unscientific and bizarre customs embraced by mainstream and fringe religions; the whole gamut from transubstantiation and immaculate conception to celestial underwear, Xenu and body thetans. You need to draw a credibility line somewhere.

Australia is far less polarised on the subject of religion than the USA and I suspect more down to earth. I personally find the public professions of Christianity by Kevin Rudd, Tony Abbott and others to be unacceptable in politics. We are a secular country; there is no place for ANY religion in government. And I doubt the veracity of anyone who says that deeply held religious belief does not infiltrate public office.

So where do YOU draw the line? Could you accept a Scientologist as president?

Well said. Not only am I supposed to accept things (even from fringe religions) that I think are absolutely ludicrous, but I'm also supposed to "turn the other cheek" when religious people decide it's time to denigrate me for my personal religious beliefs (which don't fit into one of the organized religions.) I'm sick of appeasing people who think I'm garbage and going to burn in hell.

[canetoad]

I think it's a bigger issue in the USA than here. Religion is rarely spoken about in everyday life and most couldn't-give-a-flying-fuck what or who you worship as long as you keep it to yourself.

Ps. Ive just logged into DFP chat if you're interested.....

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-03-2012 09:54 PM)canetoad Wrote:  I think it's a bigger issue in the USA than here. Religion is rarely spoken about in everyday life and most couldn't-give-a-flying-fuck what or who you worship as long as you keep it to yourself.

Ps. Ive just logged into DFP chat if you're interested.....

It's actually a lot better as an adult, when one is a youth, you have to put up with the translated bigotry of the parents - kids with conservative parents are often raging ass holes, though even that is better than it used to be - at least here in the liberal parts of the US. Probably too late for chat - I can't even remember how to get there it's been so long - some admin I am lol.

[KonaKane]

Stop being a victim. Show some respect to get some respect. That's usually how it works.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-03-2012 10:47 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  Stop being a victim. Show some respect to get some respect. That's usually how it works.

I've since posted a clarification. You'll see I was describing what it was like growing up - the only issue I have now are hard-headed people on the internet who refuse to be reasonable. If you were listening yesterday, I have a much more light-hearted relationship with religious people in my life and nobody questions me for fear of hearing things that make them nervous.

[KonaKane]

I notice that this nasty bashing of people of faith has been an unfortunate holdover from that...other place....where many of us came from. It irritates me to no end because I was hoping we'd shed that particular malfunction.

Oh well.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-03-2012 11:01 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  I notice that this nasty bashing of people of faith has been an unfortunate holdover from that...other place....where many of us came from. It irritates me to no end because I was hoping we'd shed that particular malfunction.

Oh well.

Questioning some of the absolutely bizarre things people of faith believe is how we're going to progress as a society and it can't be avoided on a political board. Just because were not at the 'other place, doesn't mean a thick skin isn't still required at times.

BTW, why are you in one post telling me to toughen up, in the next you're now playing the victim - it's very confusing.

[KonaKane]

(07-03-2012 11:05 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Questioning some of the absolutely bizarre things people of faith believe is how we're going to progress as a society and it can't be avoided on a political board. Just because were not at the 'other place, doesn't mean a thick skin isn't still required at times. .....

You aren't "questioning" anything. That would be like "gee, I hear the Mormons wear these strange undergarments. What's the story with that?" Instead what Cher was doing, as Willilnois wisely pointed out, is RIDICULE. I am shocked that you do not know the difference.

More shocked that you probably do, and are acting like there is none.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-04-2012 12:38 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 11:05 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Questioning some of the absolutely bizarre things people of faith believe is how we're going to progress as a society and it can't be avoided on a political board. Just because were not at the 'other place, doesn't mean a thick skin isn't still required at times. .....

You aren't "questioning" anything. That would be like "gee, I hear the Mormons wear these strange undergarments. What's the story with that?" Instead what Cher was doing, as Willilnois wisely pointed out, is RIDICULE. I am shocked that you do not know the difference.

More shocked that you probably do, and are acting like there is none.

http://democratsforprogress.com/forum/sh...6#pid99365

[Drunken Irishman]

I'd slam Cher for her comment if I hadn't joked about it in the past here in Utah. My cousin is Mormon and I remember his undergarments and they were a constant punchline for our jokes as a family. He took it in stride. Sometimes religions do crazy things. The Mormons are no different. As a Catholic, I laugh at the thought we're really drinking the blood of Christ.

[There Is No Spoon]

(07-04-2012 01:50 AM)Drunken Irishman Wrote:  I'd slam Cher for her comment if I hadn't joked about it in the past here in Utah. My cousin is Mormon and I remember his undergarments and they were a constant punchline for our jokes as a family. He took it in stride. Sometimes religions do crazy things. The Mormons are no different. As a Catholic, I laugh at the thought we're really drinking the blood of Christ.

Vampires.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

[There Is No Spoon]

OK, enough ruffed feathers, time to lock this one.