Here it is - The Democratic Hall of Shame

[KonaKane]

As promised, here is a run down of the Democratic turncoats who voted against Holder:

Jason Altmire (PA-04, lost primary in PA-12) *
John Barrow (GA-12) *
Dan Boren (OK-02, retiring) *
Leonard Boswell (IA-03) *
Ben Chandler (KY-06) *
Mark Critz (PA-12)
Joe Donnelly (IN-02, running for IN-Sen) *
Kathy Hochul (NY-26)
Ron Kind (WI-03)
Larry Kissell (NC-08) *
Jim Matheson (UT-02, running in UT-04) *
Mike McIntyre (NC-07) *
Bill Owens (NY-23, running in NY-21)
Collin Peterson (MN-07) *
Nick Rahall (WV-03)
Mike Ross (AR-04, retiring) *
Tim Walz (MN-01)


Those little asterisks? They designate, you got it, Blue Dogs. 13 out of the 17 who stabbed this president in the back are Azure Mutts. Two of them were actually RETIRING so had no fear of a coming election.

Blue Dogs. With Democrats like these.....who needs Republicans?

[PoliticalTiger]

(06-28-2012 04:14 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  As promised, here is a run down of the Democratic turncoats who voted against Holder:

Jason Altmire (PA-04, lost primary in PA-12) *
John Barrow (GA-12) *
Dan Boren (OK-02, retiring) *
Leonard Boswell (IA-03) *
Ben Chandler (KY-06) *
Mark Critz (PA-12)
Joe Donnelly (IN-02, running for IN-Sen) *
Kathy Hochul (NY-26)
Ron Kind (WI-03)
Larry Kissell (NC-08) *
Jim Matheson (UT-02, running in UT-04) *
Mike McIntyre (NC-07) *
Bill Owens (NY-23, running in NY-21)
Collin Peterson (MN-07) *
Nick Rahall (WV-03)
Mike Ross (AR-04, retiring) *
Tim Walz (MN-01)


Those little asterisks? They designate, you got it, Blue Dogs. 13 out of the 17 who stabbed this president in the back are Azure Mutts. Two of them were actually RETIRING so had no fear of a coming election.

Blue Dogs. With Democrats like these.....who needs Republicans?

These "Democrats" are bought and paid for by the NRA, aka the NRA's bitches!

[azmouse]

Any idea who on that list has taken campaign money from the NRA?

[KonaKane]

(06-28-2012 04:53 PM)azmouse Wrote:  Any idea who on that list has taken campaign money from the NRA?

Oh that's a bit of information I'd LOVE to get ahold of...but it wouldn't surprise me if they were all, to a person, in the pocket of Wayne LaPierre.

[There Is No Spoon]

Those aren't Democrats. I'm sticking this thread so it's not forgotten what these traitors did today.

[suzie]

One of the reasons I liked Obama early on is that he seemed like a smart guy AND a kick-ass Chicago politician.

When the mouthy little creep Kucinich was vanished from the Congress after going on TV and trashing Obama one too many times, my early impression of the President seemed vindicated.

I'll be glad to leave disciplining those who voted against Holder to the President and his crew. They seem more than adequate to the task.

[JeffR]

[pappy]

No Buckeyes on the list.

I half expected to see Dennis on that list. Maybe he was the one that voted "present".

BTW which Pubs voted against?

[OptimistesMaddie]

(06-28-2012 06:54 PM)pappy Wrote:  No Buckeyes on the list.

I half expected to see Dennis on that list. Maybe he was the one that voted "present".

BTW which Pubs voted against?

Didn't he lose his seat?

[pappy]

(06-28-2012 08:41 PM)OptimistesMaddie Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 06:54 PM)pappy Wrote:  No Buckeyes on the list.

I half expected to see Dennis on that list. Maybe he was the one that voted "present".

BTW which Pubs voted against?

Didn't he lose his seat?

That was his loss in this years primary to Marcy Kaptur due to redistricting. He retains his seat until the next Congress is seated in January.

[sandnsea]

(06-28-2012 06:54 PM)pappy Wrote:  No Buckeyes on the list.

I half expected to see Dennis on that list. Maybe he was the one that voted "present".

BTW which Pubs voted against?

One from Ohio, one from Virginia. I'm not familiar with either of them. Maybe they were just chosen to avoid the "straight party line" vote headlines.

http://www.mainjustice.com/2012/06/28/tw...empt-vote/

[pappy]

(06-28-2012 10:57 PM)sandnsea Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 06:54 PM)pappy Wrote:  No Buckeyes on the list.

I half expected to see Dennis on that list. Maybe he was the one that voted "present".

BTW which Pubs voted against?

One from Ohio, one from Virginia. I'm not familiar with either of them. Maybe they were just chosen to avoid the "straight party line" vote headlines.

http://www.mainjustice.com/2012/06/28/tw...empt-vote/

LaTourette is in what has been a solid Publican stronghold in the exurban area east of Cleveland bordering Lake Erie. As noted in the article you linked to his district shows signs of slippage away from solid red to purple. As a political matter he may have seen splitting his vote (he voted for civil contempt) as a way to have it both ways with voters this November.

[There Is No Spoon]

Kathy Hochul (NY-26)

Isn't she the one who beat out that teabagger in a special election in a Republican district?

[sandnsea]

Considering there are 25 Blue Dogs, only half of them are 100% scoundrels. That's something I guess.

[KonaKane]

(06-28-2012 07:17 PM)sandnsea Wrote:  Considering there are 25 Blue Dogs, only half of them are 100% scoundrels. That's something I guess.

Certainly a half we could do without.

[sandnsea]

(06-28-2012 11:01 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 07:17 PM)sandnsea Wrote:  Considering there are 25 Blue Dogs, only half of them are 100% scoundrels. That's something I guess.

Certainly a half we could do without.

Yeah we only need 80 for a Dem Majority in the House - what's 25 more.

[jaxx]

The vote was 255-67 because most Dems walked out before voting....lucky break for the ones who are tied to the NRA's apron strings.

Quote:Two Republicans voted against contempt, Reps. Scott Rigell (Va.) and Steven LaTourette (Ohio). Rep. Dan Lipinski (D-Ill.) voted present.

They also voted, 258-95, on a second resolution that authorizes the House to bring a civil lawsuit to enforce the contempt resolution. Twenty-one Democrats voted yes on the resolution.
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_160/In...ml?pos=hln

[Leaning Right]

(06-29-2012 12:12 AM)jaxx Wrote:  The vote was 255-67 because most Dems walked out before voting....lucky break for the ones who are tied to the NRA's apron strings.

Exactly what I said in the other thread. The walk-out only hurt Holder and bolstered those who voted him in contempt.

The vote tally is damning. Too bad the democrats didn't think far enough in advance to stave off that little incident.

[pappy]

(06-29-2012 05:07 AM)Leaning Right Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 12:12 AM)jaxx Wrote:  The vote was 255-67 because most Dems walked out before voting....lucky break for the ones who are tied to the NRA's apron strings.

Exactly what I said in the other thread. The walk-out only hurt Holder and bolstered those who voted him in contempt.

The vote tally is damning. Too bad the democrats didn't think far enough in advance to stave off that little incident.

As I said in the other thread you have zero knowledge of the basic facts of this case and should get the facts before making a fool of yourself.

[jaxx]

(06-29-2012 05:07 AM)Leaning Right Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 12:12 AM)jaxx Wrote:  The vote was 255-67 because most Dems walked out before voting....lucky break for the ones who are tied to the NRA's apron strings.

Exactly what I said in the other thread. The walk-out only hurt Holder and bolstered those who voted him in contempt.

The vote tally is damning. Too bad the democrats didn't think far enough in advance to stave off that little incident.

Where do you get the walk out hurt Holder? That is so off the mark. What it did was show how one-sided the contempt vote was.

For your right leaning senses......contempt votes normally take over 80 days from committee to floor. Issa, in his witch hunting zeal to be the bad guy, rammed this through in 7 days. Even the lord rested on day 7.....which goes to show it's the guy with horns who speaks to Issa.

The Democrats did exactly what they needed to do. Show absolute contempt for the repub lynch mob.

[azmouse]

(06-29-2012 07:00 AM)jaxx Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 05:07 AM)Leaning Right Wrote:  Exactly what I said in the other thread. The walk-out only hurt Holder and bolstered those who voted him in contempt.

The vote tally is damning. Too bad the democrats didn't think far enough in advance to stave off that little incident.

Where do you get the walk out hurt Holder? That is so off the mark. What it did was show how one-sided the contempt vote was.

For your right leaning senses......contempt votes normally take over 80 days from committee to floor. Issa, in his witch hunting zeal to be the bad guy, rammed this through in 7 days. Even the lord rested on day 7.....which goes to show it's the guy with horns who speaks to Issa.

The Democrats did exactly what they needed to do. Show absolute contempt for the repub lynch mob.

The walk out also gave those 21 so-called Democrats a way out of casting a vote for contempt if they wanted to take it.

[Leaning Right]

(06-29-2012 07:00 AM)jaxx Wrote:  Where do you get the walk out hurt Holder? That is so off the mark. What it did was show how one-sided the contempt vote was.

Because of things like this excerpt from Time:

Quote:"About five hours after the court ruled, with news sites flooded with information about the health care ruling, the House voted 255-67 to declare Holder in criminal contempt — an action that could lead to criminal prosecution but probably won’t. A second vote of 258-95 held Holder in civil contempt and allows the House to bring a civil lawsuit in an effort to force him to turn over the documents.

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/06/29/leg...z1zC0RBemK
"

255-to-67 looks like a huge majority of the House thought Holder should be held in contempt. By the time the second vote rolled around, more democrats had come back in and voted. But something like 255-to-178 looks like Holder had more support.

Quote:For your right leaning senses......contempt votes normally take over 80 days from committee to floor. Issa, in his witch hunting zeal to be the bad guy, rammed this through in 7 days. Even the lord rested on day 7.....which goes to show it's the guy with horns who speaks to Issa.

The Democrats did exactly what they needed to do. Show absolute contempt for the repub lynch mob.

I think the only thing people will notice (if they notice anything at all) is the vote count. But, I agree that Issa rushed it through. [/quote]

[jaxx]

(06-29-2012 08:34 AM)Leaning Right Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 07:00 AM)jaxx Wrote:  Where do you get the walk out hurt Holder? That is so off the mark. What it did was show how one-sided the contempt vote was.

Because of things like this excerpt from Time:

Quote:"About five hours after the court ruled, with news sites flooded with information about the health care ruling, the House voted 255-67 to declare Holder in criminal contempt — an action that could lead to criminal prosecution but probably won’t. A second vote of 258-95 held Holder in civil contempt and allows the House to bring a civil lawsuit in an effort to force him to turn over the documents.

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/06/29/leg...z1zC0RBemK
"

255-to-67 looks like a huge majority of the House thought Holder should be held in contempt. By the time the second vote rolled around, more democrats had come back in and voted. But something like 255-to-178 looks like Holder had more support.

Quote:For your right leaning senses......contempt votes normally take over 80 days from committee to floor. Issa, in his witch hunting zeal to be the bad guy, rammed this through in 7 days. Even the lord rested on day 7.....which goes to show it's the guy with horns who speaks to Issa.

The Democrats did exactly what they needed to do. Show absolute contempt for the repub lynch mob.

I think the only thing people will notice (if they notice anything at all) is the vote count. But, I agree that Issa rushed it through.

[/quote]

If people pay attention to the vote count they will also know why the Democrats walked out. I don't buy your sell, it's spin.

[There Is No Spoon]

(06-29-2012 05:07 AM)Leaning Right Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 12:12 AM)jaxx Wrote:  The vote was 255-67 because most Dems walked out before voting....lucky break for the ones who are tied to the NRA's apron strings.

Exactly what I said in the other thread. The walk-out only hurt Holder and bolstered those who voted him in contempt.

The vote tally is damning. Too bad the democrats didn't think far enough in advance to stave off that little incident.

You do yourself a disservice by playing up this farce as if it was anything more than schoolyard politics.

[jaxx]

The civil contempt vote got 21 DINO's to vote with the pubs. Their names need to be added to the Hall of Shame:

Altmire
Barber
Barrow
Boren
Boswell
Chandler
Critz
DeFazio
Donnelly (IN)
Hochul
Kind
Kissell
Matheson
McIntyre
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Owens
Peterson
Rahall
Ross (AR)
Walz (MN)

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll442.xml

[KonaKane]

(06-29-2012 07:32 AM)jaxx Wrote:  The civil contempt vote got 21 DINO's to vote with the pubs. Their names need to be added to the Hall of Shame:

Altmire
Barber
Barrow
Boren
Boswell
Chandler
Critz
DeFazio
Donnelly (IN)
Hochul
Kind
Kissell
Matheson
McIntyre
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Owens
Peterson
Rahall
Ross (AR)
Walz (MN)

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll442.xml

Thanks for the update, jaxx.

[Velleity]

There were two Republicans who voted against it though. I would love to hear their p.o.v.

[sandnsea]

(06-29-2012 08:04 AM)Velleity Wrote:  There were two Republicans who voted against it though. I would love to hear their p.o.v.

http://www.mainjustice.com/2012/06/28/tw...empt-vote/

[Velleity]

(06-29-2012 08:25 AM)sandnsea Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 08:04 AM)Velleity Wrote:  There were two Republicans who voted against it though. I would love to hear their p.o.v.

http://www.mainjustice.com/2012/06/28/tw...empt-vote/

Thanks sandnsea.

[jaxx]

Update: Two Republicans defected from the party line to vote no on criminal contempt:
Steve LaTourette (Ohio)
Scott Rigell (R-Va.)
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congres...27658.html

Can't find statements from the two pubs, but did find this article about who the NRA has given money to and they are both on the list:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/

[Treestar]

Is there a list of who walked out and who stayed to vote against?

[sandnsea]

(06-29-2012 11:47 AM)Treestar Wrote:  Is there a list of who walked out and who stayed to vote against?

Here's the complete vote count. There were two votes, this is the one that passed.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll441.xml

Or try this link and scroll down to roll 441

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/index.asp

[Treestar]

Thanks sandnsea.

My representative walked out.

They must have still had a quorum, even with the walk outs.

[jaxx]

Will right-leaning Democrats tumble across the aisle?
July 10, 2012 1:00 PM
FRANCO ORDONEZ
MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS

WASHINGTON — The fine line between a Southern conservative Democrat and a Republican continues to fade — fast.

That certainly appears to be the case in North Carolina, where two of the remaining House Democrats have adopted the tactic that in order to win re-election, they must steer clear of President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party.

In the past two weeks, North Carolina Democratic Reps. Mike McIntyre and Larry Kissell have announced they will not endorse Obama and, furthermore, plan to vote to repeal his signature health care plan.

<..> The widening gap between some Democrats and the president raises the question: What does it take to call yourself a true Democrat? McIntyre and Kissell have voted with the party about 70 percent of the time in the current congressional term, according to opencongress.org, but they have repeatedly broken with their party on high-profile votes, such as those related to health care and the cap-and-trade climate bill, which are seen as a litmus test for some Democratic voters. The real problem, McIntyre says, is that party leadership has pushed its members into ideological corners, which prevents any hope of working together to solve the nation’s problems.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/leaning-...umble.html

Both of these guys voted to hold AG Holder in contempt.

[KonaKane]

Thanks for posting that. With "Democrats" like these....

[KonaKane]

Ah, and here we have five Democrats who jumped to the GOP side for repealing Affordable Health Care:

Mike McIntyre (N.C.)
Larry Kissell (N.C.)
Jim Matheson (Utah)

Their excuses - they are in a tough race in areas recently redistricted to favor the GOPs. Nothing says "I'm a good Democrat who believes in Democratic values" like joining the GOP because the going is rough. Way to go, guys.

Dan Boren (Okla.)
Mike Ross (Ark.)

Their excuse? They don't have one. They are retiring next year and stand to lose nothing. So again, nothing speaks to your party loyalty like.....nah, who am I kidding. They could obviously give a shit.

[jaxx]

Wow the same 3 dorks who have a D and think that means vote with the R's.
At least there were only 5 of them this time, unlike the 17 who voted against Holder.

Thanks Kona, I've been away from the news for hours and wondered about this.

[72ptheriot]

Why aren't we talking more about NDAA and QE3? If you take Reagan's trickle down economics and replace companies with the word banks and now you have Obama's trickle down from the Feds to World banks in hope that some where down the line a house is built and some low wage person gets $10 an hour.

[jaxx]

(10-17-2012 09:57 PM)72ptheriot Wrote:  Why aren't we talking more about NDAA and QE3? If you take Reagan's trickle down economics and replace companies with the word banks and now you have Obama's trickle down from the Feds to World banks in hope that some where down the line a house is built and some low wage person gets $10 an hour.

Really? Please elaborate.

[72ptheriot]

The Feds are printing our money and giving it to large banks to buy bad mirages they made. Sort of a bail out with again our money. How about taking the 40 billion dollars and using it to help save the homes of families. The banks will just take the money and made more bad mortgages. What do you think the banks will do with 40 billion dollars every month?

[jaxx]

(10-17-2012 10:13 PM)72ptheriot Wrote:  The Feds are printing our money and giving it to large banks to buy bad mirages they made. Sort of a bail out with again our money. How about taking the 40 billion dollars and using it to help save the homes of families. The banks will just take the money and made more bad mortgages. What do you think the banks will do with 40 billion dollars every month?

They are giving money to the banks? Interesting. Where do you get your information?

[72ptheriot]

I want to be proud of the party but every time I think of one thing good two or more decisions that were made make me feel like this isn't the party it use to be. If we don't hold our own to a higher level then the republicans then it doesn't make us much better then them. We know these things are wrong but almost give him a pass. We were the party of liberties for all and now we traded them for sercurity. I want to be proud again and not have to keep make excuses for my party. Sometime I wonder what my father would think of us now. Sorry for the down attitude maybe I'm watching to much Russia tv. Lol

[72ptheriot]

Am I wrong about qe3? I very well could be. From what I have read the Feds are buying ( printing ) the mortgages the banks no long want to hold, to the level of 40 billion every month. For me this leaves me with so many unanswered questions. What will the Feds do with these bad mortgages. What will the banks do with the money? Will it ever get to the people? Will it cause inflation ? I'm I the only one that sees this a bank bail out again? How much of this money will find it way to the world banks instead of helping the poor families in dire need to help save their homes? What will stop the banks from making more bad loans and causing another housing bust when they know they could just have the Feds save them again? I ask you am I wrong on this? I haven't heard ether candidate talk on this. If I'm wrong I would love to have my mind put at ease.

[jaxx]

(10-17-2012 10:41 PM)72ptheriot Wrote:  Am I wrong about qe3? I very well could be. From what I have read the Feds are buying ( printing ) the mortgages the banks no long want to hold, to the level of 40 billion every month. For me this leaves me with so many unanswered questions. What will the Feds do with these bad mortgages. What will the banks do with the money? Will it ever get to the people? Will it cause inflation ? I'm I the only one that sees this a bank bail out again? How much of this money will find it way to the world banks instead of helping the poor families in dire need to help save their homes? What will stop the banks from making more bad loans and causing another housing bust when they know they could just have the Feds save them again? I ask you am I wrong on this? I haven't heard ether candidate talk on this. If I'm wrong I would love to have my mind put at ease.

October 17, 2012, 3:59 PM
Housing Recovery May Validate Fed’s QE3
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/10/1...-feds-qe3/

You can read all kinds of things, most of them not true. The GOP has obstructed all forms of helping the economy, they can't touch this. Injecting money into the economy will help, it did before and we're in better shape this time. Don't let the doomers get to you.

[72ptheriot]

Sorry didn't mean to high jack the thread.

[Still a Democrat]

I find it very odd that a newbie would make his first order of business bumping an old, devisive thread just before the election and making some obscure complaint about the Democratic party on an unrelated topic.

[72ptheriot]

Sorry new to the forum thing and still learning. I know what a hate about the right but thought I could share some of my concerns about Obama. Just because he is a Dem doest mean I should question some of his actions. Mainly wanted to know if I was the only one with such concerns because I don't hear anything from either side during any debate. Everyone knows our stands on the main topics. I can see your view about me being new here but I wasn't picking any fights just looking for options. Again sorry about the thread thing, I just posted on the first one that was up there on my iPad.

[azmouse]

(10-18-2012 09:30 AM)72ptheriot Wrote:  Sorry new to the forum thing and still learning. I know what a hate about the right but thought I could share some of my concerns about Obama. Just because he is a Dem doest mean I should question some of his actions. Mainly wanted to know if I was the only one with such concerns because I don't hear anything from either side during any debate. Everyone knows our stands on the main topics. I can see your view about me being new here but I wasn't picking any fights just looking for options. Again sorry about the thread thing, I just posted on the first one that was up there on my iPad.

Take your time, look around. You'll find many great threads to introduce yourself and your views. If you need any help, everyone here is able and willing to assist.
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