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**Blue_Roses** · 06-07-2012, 03:39 PM

Well, it has begun...the presidential "email battle" for truth. I have several strong right-wingers in my family and I always get lambasted by their taunting emails during the political season, especially presidential ones.

It doesn't seem to matter how much I link the truth to them, they refuse to listen or read it. I have told them to take me off their, hate-the-Democratic-liberal-no-good-president-and-his-communist-followers list again, before we find ourselves ignoring each other over Thanksgiving dinner this year. Facepalm

So, in the "season" of election year and finding truth, here is one of the several I got today. I'm doing a fact check on this so I can respond. Any factual info on this would be greatly appreciated.

Here's the email:

Quote:TAKES 10 SECONDS .... DO IT AND PASS IT ON Own a Gun? Please Keep This Moving Guess they were not happy with the poll results the first time so USA today is running another one... Vote now Attorney General, Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro- gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court's accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms. Here's what you need to do:

First - vote on this one. Second - launch it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will see if the results get published. Click below to vote.

USATODAY.com

Oh, and here's another one that seems to have them nostalgic for Reagan. Mitt's not cutting it for them. roflmao

Quote:It doesn't get any better than this and there will never be another like him.
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> > http://www.youtube.com/embed/OvN1jTkzXbY?rel=0

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***azmouse*** · 06-07-2012, 03:49 PM

Years ago, my sister in law would send me piles of email, many of them RW. I refused to sign any of her petitions for school prayer. I told her to fact check the damn RW rantings herself at Snopes and she'd see what a bunch of hooey she was peddling. She took me off her email list, and quiet prevails at the azmouse household. I don't recommend my methods for family members you still may want to keep in touch with though...

**Born_A_Truman** · 06-07-2012, 03:51 PM

(06-07-2012 03:49 PM)azmouse Wrote: Years ago, my sister in law would send me piles of email, many of them RW. I refused to sign any of her petitions for school prayer. I told her to fact check the damn RW rantings herself at Snopes and she'd see what a bunch of hooey she was peddling. She took me off her email list, and quiet prevails at the azmouse household. I don't recommend my methods for family members you still may want to keep in touch with though...

I always take/wear my Obama T-Shirt when I visit. roflmao

***azmouse*** · 06-07-2012, 04:58 PM

(06-07-2012 03:51 PM)Born_A_Truman Wrote:
(06-07-2012 03:49 PM)azmouse Wrote: Years ago, my sister in law would send me piles of email, many of them RW. I refused to sign any of her petitions for school prayer. I told her to fact check the damn RW rantings herself at Snopes and she'd see what a bunch of hooey she was peddling. She took me off her email list, and quiet prevails at the azmouse household. I don't recommend my methods for family members you still may want to keep in touch with though...

I always take/wear my Obama T-Shirt when I visit.

I'm fortunate that my brother and his battle-ax, I mean wife, live over 2000 mi away. I like it that way even though I have a niece and nephew I haven't met. I heard she taught the kids to say that Bush is the best president ever. Vomit

I'm all out of patience with the RW mindset.

**Born_A_Truman** · 06-07-2012, 03:49 PM

No, not any more. In 2008 I was getting lots and I think they got the hint when I sent them back the FACTS. Then since all their DIRE predictions about Obama taking away their GUNS and BULLETS didn't happen and then when Obama didn't DOUBLE THEIR TAXES ... well, they gave up. roflmao

**Hekate** · 06-07-2012, 03:59 PM

He went to Canada during the Vietnam War, which I don't mind. It was 35 years before we met again.

What I do mind is that he's slipped into knee-jerk hatred of all things US Government. During Dubya's administration I tolerated it at first, but as I say the knee-jerk quality bothered me. Then when Obama ran for President and was elected, my cousin basically went batshit crazy with birtherism and every conceivable conspiracy theory. (Did you know that while a University student the young Barry actually roomed with someone with a Middle Eastern/Arabic name? Gasp, shock, the horror of a college student getting to know people from other countries.)

I tried for awhile to counter with facts, referred him to Snopes, etc. The last letter I started to write had to do with how "no one in Hawaii remembers him growing up" (well, you know, because he wasn't there) and how all kinds of research has been done and no one remembers him.

In about 2 minutes flat I found abundant testimony to the contrary, because people who went to school with Obama are pretty thrilled that he grew up to be POTUS, and don't mind telling the world.

But I stopped and never mailed it. My cousin is not just politically different from me, he's nuts. I took every single email address of his, every alias, and plugged them in my spam filter. He's still sending this shit, but I delete without a second glance.

I hope to goodness your relatives aren't that unpleasant, just really different from you, and that once election season is over they can live and let live. In the meantime, I recommend tagging all this spam as junk mail, setting your spam filter to weed it out, and simply refusing to reply or engage.

As my Mom used to say: "Convince a fool against his will, he's of the same opinion still."

**yowzayowzayowza** · 06-07-2012, 04:38 PM

Unfortunately they seem to have figgered out the BCC, otherwise Reply All would be very tempting.

(06-07-2012 03:59 PM)Hekate Wrote: As my Mom used to say: "Convince a fool against his will, he's of the same opinion still."

Smart Ma!!!

**sandnsea** · 06-07-2012, 04:01 PM

I hit "reply all" and bombard the email with so much factual info that it embarrasses the sender. And they stop. I don't get any of it anymore, at all. I think they even remove me from their Facebook bullshit blasts because I don't see too much of that either.

**Treestar** · 06-07-2012, 04:06 PM

They don't expect to be challenged, so I do it. For example, can she document that it is indeed true that Holder disagrees with the Second Amendment, and even if he did, how could he enforce a non-existent law? He'd have to wait for the Second to be repealed. Another is a one sentence point to a logic flaw.

I got one saying if we are picking a President based on who killed bin Laden, I'll vote for a Navy Seal. I responded well it's a good thing Jimmy Carter is now off the hook - the Marines were to blame. Or I could have said so if the mission failed, you'd say the Navy Seals were incompetent. Right?

**DFW** · (This post was last modified: 06-07-2012 04:07 PM by DFW.)

In a word, no.

I have a wingnut cousin in Tennessee that I haven't seen or heard from since 1994, and as far as I'm concerned, it can remain that way. I lost count of what number marriage he was on. Family values--he values having many of them, it appears. I have another cousin, originally from New York, who never came back from an LSD trip in the late sixties, and I heard he is now a popular conspiracy theorist radio personality on the West Coast.

The rest if my family are sane Democrats. I never hear from the two cousins mentioned above. The one in Tennessee can stay where he is, although the conspiracy theory radio host might be entertaining. Then again, paranoia and me don't mix well.

**pappy** · 06-07-2012, 04:26 PM

No problem for me, I have become a hermit.

**SeattleGirl** · 06-07-2012, 07:43 PM

I don't get any crazy emails. Both my brothers are right wingers, but they haven't lost their minds and in the rare conversations we have about politics (very rare), we actually have conversations. They don't scream at me or try to talk over me or anything. My sisters are lefties as was my mom, so there are no problems there.

Last week, though, one of my sisters-in-law posted something on Facebook that I just had to respond to. It was a video -- a very anti-Obama video -- "featuring commentary by..." many bat crap crazy righties. I said, "Lori, please PLEASE don't believe stuff put out by these people. They blatantly lie, they make things up, and they are not credible."

She didn't respond to that, but she's posted responses to several of my FB posts so I know she's not mad. Maybe she feels embarassed or something.

***There Is No Spoon*** · 06-07-2012, 08:09 PM

Only someone who wants to be disowned would do such a thing to me. Hasn't happened yet.

**KonaKane** · 06-07-2012, 09:01 PM

I've trained my friends and family to know me better. They don't dare.

**gleannfia** · 06-08-2012, 06:34 PM

off their hate-Obama email lists. If they don't I block them. Ain't putting up with that shit this time around. Facebook is also a problem. I have a couple of tea-baggin cousins who *think* they are the upper echelon, who must comment on my every liberal post. I advised them to cease and desist. Or else, they will be dropped as FB "friends."

**pappy** · 06-08-2012, 06:42 PM

(06-08-2012 06:34 PM)gleannfia Wrote: off their hate-Obama email lists. If they don't I block them. Ain't putting up with that shit this time around. Facebook is also a problem. I have a couple of tea-baggin cousins who *think* they are the upper echelon, who must comment on my every liberal post. I advised them to cease and desist. Or else, they will be dropped as FB "friends."

Recently a former coworker "liked" one of the many infamous tea party groups on Facebook. As soon as I saw that I "unfriended" him and blocked him. I had to put up with that shit when I needed a job but now that I am retired I have no patience for it. Funny thing is that he never seemed like one of the illiteraty when I worked with him.

**jaxx** · 06-09-2012, 08:23 AM

I have a brother who is rightwing. We have nothing in common and don't communicate unless it's a necessity.
As for other email people, I've cleaned it out and don't get the propaganda. I am severely liberal. Wink

**Leaning Right** · 06-09-2012, 08:39 AM

Right wing - left wing - conspiracy theories - fear mongering.

I delete them all without reading them.