Romney Campaign Stumbles Again On Russia

[jaxx]

Romney Campaign Stumbles Again On Russia (VIDEO)
Tom Kludt June 1, 2012, 11:36 AM 7375

Ed Gillespie, a senior campaign adviser to Mitt Romney, struggled to clarify the Republican nominee’s position on Russia during a television appearance Friday, marking a return to foreign policy turf on which Romney has already been chided.

<..> Gillespie’s call for a restoration in U.S.-Russia relations conflicted with Romney’s contention in March that Russia is the U.S.’s “No. 1 geopolitical foe.” It also represented a rare instance in which the Romney camp acknowledged a need to strengthen ties with Europe. Romney routinely cautions voters on the campaign trail that the United States must avoid going down the same path as Europe, a point he made again earlier this week when discussing national security before a crowd of veterans.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0...policy.php

Once again, Willard and his minions need to STFU about foreign policy. They are making enemies.

[Peacetrain]

Though the Mormon church has been denying the white horse prophecy for the last 100 years..But Romney has been trying to sidle up to it all along.. His attacks on Russia for him are literal me thinks.. he (Romney) thinks he is the chosen one, since he is a direct descendent of their founders..

[Andy823]

(06-01-2012 05:31 PM)Peacetrain Wrote:  Though the Mormon church has been denying the white horse prophecy for the last 100 years..But Romney has been trying to sidle up to it all along.. His attacks on Russia for him are literal me thinks.. he (Romney) thinks he is the chosen one, since he is a direct descendent of their founders..

I had to go check out the "white horse prophecy, I have to admit I had never heard of it before. To me it's like many other religious groups that "think" they are the "chosen ones" of God, and that they will be the ones who will at some time be saved and have the job of re-educating everyone about what it is God wants. For some it is the end of times that brings about this change, where they take control of things for God.

I would have to agree with you that Romney most likely thinks he is the chosen one who will "save" the country. His ego is huge and his tendency to get mad an those who question him, especially when he is lying, show his arrogance and show he thinks no matter what he says of does, he should never be questioned.

I really think the more people find out about Romney, and his beliefs, the more they are going to see just what kind of a leader he would be and the more they will find it hard to vote for him. This white horse prophecy only goes to show why it is he does NOT want to talk about his religious beliefs.

[Peacetrain]

(06-01-2012 06:08 PM)Andy823 Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 05:31 PM)Peacetrain Wrote:  Though the Mormon church has been denying the white horse prophecy for the last 100 years..But Romney has been trying to sidle up to it all along.. His attacks on Russia for him are literal me thinks.. he (Romney) thinks he is the chosen one, since he is a direct descendent of their founders..

I had to go check out the "white horse prophecy, I have to admit I had never heard of it before. To me it's like many other religious groups that "think" they are the "chosen ones" of God, and that they will be the ones who will at some time be saved and have the job of re-educating everyone about what it is God wants. For some it is the end of times that brings about this change, where they take control of things for God.

I would have to agree with you that Romney most likely thinks he is the chosen one who will "save" the country. His ego is huge and his tendency to get mad an those who question him, especially when he is lying, show his arrogance and show he thinks no matter what he says of does, he should never be questioned.

I really think the more people find out about Romney, and his beliefs, the more they are going to see just what kind of a leader he would be and the more they will find it hard to vote for him. This white horse prophecy only goes to show why it is he does NOT want to talk about his religious beliefs.

if they looked closely at what Romney has in his background on the religious side they would see him as the Anti Christ..

Andy The White Horse Prophecy feeds right into that.. even Romney s classmates and cohorts in one of their select religious clubs viewed him as the one who would defeat Russia..

If we were Republicans we would do the whisper campaign at the local fundamentalist and charismatic churches.. they would not vote Obama.. but they sure as heck would not vote Romney either because they would see it as selling out their immortal souls.

[Andy823]

[quote='Peacetrain' pid='96155' dateline='1338598185'

If we were Republicans we would do the whisper campaign at the local fundamentalist and charismatic churches.. they would not vote Obama.. but they sure as heck would not vote Romney either because they would see it as selling out their immortal souls.
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I think the whisper campaign is happening already, and is being done by the fundies themselves. When Romney's religion is already views as being a cult, and has been for a very long time, those older fundies, the more zealous crazies, are NOT going to vote for Romney, and they will do their best to try and get others to see things the way they do.

No matter what the media is saying, no matter what the likes of Karl Rove are saying, the majority of republicans do NOT like Romney, and are going to find it very hard to vote fro someone who 1. they believe with all their heart is a cult member, and 2. someone they hear day after day change his mind on things he said during the primary, but now has to come more to the left since he was so far out on the right in order to get independents to vote for him.

The more we hear form Romney the harder it will be for him to win. I also think that sooner or later he will have to do some serious explaining about Mormon beliefs, and that's one thing he does not want to discuss. If he tries to avoid it he loses, and if he tries to defend it by lying about it, he will get caught and that will also end his chances.

[Peacetrain]

(06-02-2012 10:41 AM)Andy823 Wrote:  [quote='Peacetrain' pid='96155' dateline='1338598185'

If we were Republicans we would do the whisper campaign at the local fundamentalist and charismatic churches.. they would not vote Obama.. but they sure as heck would not vote Romney either because they would see it as selling out their immortal souls.

I think the whisper campaign is happening already, and is being done by the fundies themselves. When Romney's religion is already views as being a cult, and has been for a very long time, those older fundies, the more zealous crazies, are NOT going to vote for Romney, and they will do their best to try and get others to see things the way they do.

No matter what the media is saying, no matter what the likes of Karl Rove are saying, the majority of republicans do NOT like Romney, and are going to find it very hard to vote fro someone who 1. they believe with all their heart is a cult member, and 2. someone they hear day after day change his mind on things he said during the primary, but now has to come more to the left since he was so far out on the right in order to get independents to vote for him.

The more we hear form Romney the harder it will be for him to win. I also think that sooner or later he will have to do some serious explaining about Mormon beliefs, and that's one thing he does not want to discuss. If he tries to avoid it he loses, and if he tries to defend it by lying about it, he will get caught and that will also end his chances.



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Andy I was just reading the entire article that Hekate posted.. I had to pull this out:

Both political and religious, the Cougar Club raised funds for the school and its members emulated the campus-wide honor and dress codes, passionately disavowing the counterculture symbolism of long hair, bell-bottom jeans and antiwar slogans that were sweeping college campuses throughout America. They held monthly “Fireside testimonies” — Sacrament meetings at which each member testified to his belief that he lived in Heaven before being born on Earth, that he became mortal in order to usher in the latter days, and that he recognized Joseph Smith as the prophet, the Book of Mormon as the word of God, and the Mormon church as the one true faith.

[Andy823]

(06-02-2012 11:17 AM)Peacetrain Wrote:  Andy I was just reading the entire article that Hekate posted.. I had to pull this out:

Both political and religious, the Cougar Club raised funds for the school and its members emulated the campus-wide honor and dress codes, passionately disavowing the counterculture symbolism of long hair, bell-bottom jeans and antiwar slogans that were sweeping college campuses throughout America. They held monthly “Fireside testimonies” — Sacrament meetings at which each member testified to his belief that he lived in Heaven before being born on Earth, that he became mortal in order to usher in the latter days, and that he recognized Joseph Smith as the prophet, the Book of Mormon as the word of God, and the Mormon church as the one true faith.

Yep, this is exactly what I am talking about. There are so many things out their about Romney that have not come out yet, but they will. Claiming to be the ones who will "usher in the end of days" and saying the book of Mormon is the word of God will anger the fundies to no end. Believing the Mormon church is the "one true faith" will be the last straw.

We have 5 months to go, and it will only get worse for Romny, not better.

[KonaKane]

(06-01-2012 05:31 PM)Peacetrain Wrote:  Though the Mormon church has been denying the white horse prophecy for the last 100 years..But Romney has been trying to sidle up to it all along.. His attacks on Russia for him are literal me thinks.. he (Romney) thinks he is the chosen one, since he is a direct descendent of their founders..

Romney has slowly aligned himself with the Cold War apocalyptic Skousen/Taft Benson wingnuttery, that is mothers milk to the LDS who still cling to the White Horse Prophecy.

[Peacetrain]

(06-01-2012 06:58 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 05:31 PM)Peacetrain Wrote:  Though the Mormon church has been denying the white horse prophecy for the last 100 years..But Romney has been trying to sidle up to it all along.. His attacks on Russia for him are literal me thinks.. he (Romney) thinks he is the chosen one, since he is a direct descendent of their founders..

Romney has slowly aligned himself with the Cold War apocalyptic Skousen/Taft Benson wingnuttery, that is mothers milk to the LDS who still cling to the White Horse Prophecy.

Skousen.. isn't that the guy they say inspired Beck and the Rev. Moon?.. (talk about another set of knots on the log) he (Beck) was able to hide his beliefs which run 180 degrees counter to the Charismatic churches who seem to support him.. Like I said, if we were like the Republicans, we could just so easily drop leaflets on the white horse prophecy etc.. and that would scare the beans out of every fundamentalist church.. this is exactly who they fear.. the republicans are lucky we do not play the same dirty tricks they do

But that is the big reason Romney does not want to talk about his religion Kona..afraid that those things will come to light.. and he has not helped himself with his Russia talk about it being our biggest enemy.. since that is basically what the prophecy is based on

[Hekate]

Well, well...

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and..._prophecy/

Recommended.

[jaxx]

(06-01-2012 09:29 PM)Hekate Wrote:  Well, well...

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and..._prophecy/

Recommended.

That is an eye opening read, to say the least. Ann Romney says it's "their turn".
We need to make sure they miss that turn and go back to their superstitions empty handed.

[Peacetrain]

(06-02-2012 08:27 AM)jaxx Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 09:29 PM)Hekate Wrote:  Well, well...

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and..._prophecy/

Recommended.

That is an eye opening read, to say the least. Ann Romney says it's "their turn".
We need to make sure they miss that turn and go back to their superstitions empty handed.

Jaxx do you remember how off the cliff Glen Beck went trying to paint President Obama as a strange Christian? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/02...03963.html

Since Beck converted to Mormonism which believes there is another text not the bible .. that goes counter 180 degrees to word churches.. like all the protestants and non aligned fundamentalists such as Church of God.. Assemblies of God.. Baptists..

It just feeds into the white horse prophecy nonsense.. Boy if we are seeing the drip drip of this.. and Romney running as hard as he can from talking about his faith.. (opposed to the President who embraces his publicly) I am telling you.. this is just mind boggling.

When I read about the cougar club and how they believe that Romney is that person.. it is scary to see how things are being twisted.

The basis of the prophecy is the "wealthy" Mormon who starts a war with Russia..

hmmmmmmmm how many people in DC are trying to make a prophecy come true..

[Peacetrain]

(06-01-2012 09:29 PM)Hekate Wrote:  Well, well...

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and..._prophecy/

Recommended.

The Cougar Club..He belonged to a club that did not allow Blacks into its membership till 1978??? it just gets deeper and deeper

edit to add.. Hekate.. I knew he belonged to a club that thought he would be the second coming.. I had no idea they were racist also.. and as my husband just pointed out .. if he still belonged to it in 1978 he would have been 30 years old..not some kid not knowing what he belonged too.. deeper and deeper

[Andy823]

(06-01-2012 09:29 PM)Hekate Wrote:  Well, well...

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and..._prophecy/

Recommended.

I just read the whole article, and all I can say is this should scare the crap out of every fundie in the country, along with all the other religions that think Romney "might be all right as president"!

When a person believes the things Romney does, thinks that they can bring about the "end of days" and wants to turn the country into a theocratic ran nation using the beliefs of the Mormons to rule the country, it should scare the crap out of everyone!

I think things like this will be brought out about Romney, and not just by groups working to re-elect president Obama, but by religious groups that know about the Mormon beliefs and will not tolerate any "cult" members being president of the U.S.A. All the groups that think that "their" religion is the "only true religion", will not tolerate a president who thinks his religion is that group, and not theirs. Mitt's problems are just beginning.

[SeattleGirl]

(06-02-2012 02:12 PM)Andy823 Wrote:  Mitt's problems are just beginning.

I sincerely hope so.

[Andy823]

(06-02-2012 02:20 PM)SeattleGirl Wrote:  

(06-02-2012 02:12 PM)Andy823 Wrote:  Mitt's problems are just beginning.

I sincerely hope so.

I watched a video the other day where Mitt was caught in a lie by a reporter and the reporter called him on it. Mitt did the old Romney shuffle and tried to "prove" he was right. He had claimed there were no lobbyists running his campaign telling him what to do, but the reporter pointed out that one of his top aids was in fact a lobbyist. Mitt tried to say he wasn't being paid, and that the man did not have any input on things. The reporter did not back down and Romney's camp pulled him away and ended the press conference.

Problem was Mitt would not back down and pulled away to talk to the reporter again and tell the reporter he was wrong and that the guy was NOT really giving him advice. An aid pulled Romney away and then the aid told the reporter to have more respect for the candidate. The reporter simply stated the facts again that Romney had lied.

Romney had a very hard time letting go of the issue, and was visibly angry at the reporter. I think the more he has to confront "real" questions and not just the fox news softballs, the more his temper is going to be another issue for him.

While he has been doing as he did in the primary and avoiding very much press time, it won't last long. Pretty soon even those in the media that have been building him up will start to ask why he isn't doing more interviews, and talking to the press more. Sooner or later he will have to come out of hiding and face the music, and then the problems begin.

[Willinois]

When Ezra Benson lead the Mormon church, he got many Mormons to conflate their religion with anti-Soviet politics. It looks like Romney still holds those views.
It suggests Romney will have a "God is on our side" attitude hostile to one of the largest nations on earth. He might even take us back to the good old days of the cold war!

[Willinois]

It reminds me of Bush. He seemed to think he was in a holy war against the Axis of Evil. I think Bush had a similar sense that his foreign policy was divinely-inspired. We saw how dangerous that can be.

[Treestar]

Mittwit doesn't seem to put much stock in it.

The idea that Mormons are going to save the Constitution - well are they saving the First Amendment part where other religions are free to worship, too?

[Andy823]

(06-02-2012 04:05 PM)Treestar Wrote:  Mittwit doesn't seem to put much stock in it.

The idea that Mormons are going to save the Constitution - well are they saving the First Amendment part where other religions are free to worship, too?

Good question. I am sure that like many other religions that believe they are the "only true religion of God" their goal is to convert everyone to their way of thinking, not allow other religions to continue on with their "false" teachings, but have to change to the Mormon view of things.

[Treestar]

(06-03-2012 09:35 AM)Andy823 Wrote:  

(06-02-2012 04:05 PM)Treestar Wrote:  Mittwit doesn't seem to put much stock in it.

The idea that Mormons are going to save the Constitution - well are they saving the First Amendment part where other religions are free to worship, too?

Good question. I am sure that like many other religions that believe they are the "only true religion of God" their goal is to convert everyone to their way of thinking, not allow other religions to continue on with their "false" teachings, but have to change to the Mormon view of things.

Yeah, could be they thought that the election of a Mormon President would be a symptom of the fact a majority had converted to Mormonism already.