DNC refuses to help fund Walker Recall??

[KonaKane]

I just ran across this when I got an email alert. It says that the DNC is refusing to invest big money in Walker recall.

Apparently it's true, but baffling. Does anyone have some intel, some inside skinny on this to explain it? I cannot understand it myself. Apparently the Democrats in Wisconsin are understandbly furious over this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum..._blog.html

[There Is No Spoon]

Ed ran a story on this yesterday (as did others.) Predictably, Ed tried to put pressure on the DNC by use of his poll question and guests. It may be having an effect as some movement has occurred, though I haven't heard anything concrete.

[KonaKane]

Thanks. I cannot imagine what might be motivating (or not motivating) the DNC to ignore this very important recall effort.

[PoliticalTiger]

I do hope they help out! Walker has so much money from his billionaire sugar daddies that it's not a fair fight. The DNC may be trying to save money for the general election but I think this is an important issue and it would be a mistake not to help out as much as they can.

[KonaKane]

Right PT, the thought did run through my mind that they were budgeting for the general election...but what's going on Wisconsin is almost as important. It is a bellweather event for saving union rights and worker protections that were fought so hard for a century ago.

[Still a Democrat]

The cynical part of me says they realize Democrats benefit from his being in office, at least from a media standpoint.

[There Is No Spoon]

It might be a decoy to catch the Republicans off-guard as they blanket the airwaves in the last week with devastating ads about his "divide and conquer" video.

If Walker can survive after it being known to all that he deliberately lied to the people AND lied to Congress, then pack your bags people, this country is a gonner.

[azmouse]

(05-16-2012 12:00 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  It might be a decoy to catch the Republicans off-guard as they blanket the airwaves in the last week with devastating ads about his "divide and conquer" video.

If Walker can survive after it being known to all that he deliberately lied to the people AND lied to Congress, then pack your bags people, this country is a gonner.

I don't know if Walker will survive, but just the fact that it's almost certain to be a close election scares the hell outta me. How many will vote for Walker, despite the fact it's been shown how crooked he is, just because he's got an "R" after his name?

[KonaKane]

(05-16-2012 12:13 PM)azmouse Wrote:  I don't know if Walker will survive, but just the fact that it's almost certain to be a close election scares the hell outta me. How many will vote for Walker, despite the fact it's been shown how crooked he is, just because he's got an "R" after his name?

More than should make any of us comfortable. That's why we need to stay on these creeps.

[SeattleGirl]

I just saw a poll on Ed Schultz's show that showed Walker up 5% over his opponent. WTF????

[KonaKane]

The DNC BETTER not help fuck this one up.

[Born_A_Truman]

DNC Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) called Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett (D) on Tuesday, pledging her full support of his gubernatorial campaign, according to DNC spokeswoman Melanie Roussell.

Wasserman Schultz will host a fundraiser for Barrett in Wisconsin later this month; the exact date has not been set.

"The DNC is going to use both its substantial network of volunteers and supporters, and our online resources to help build the ground game that will be necessary to win on election day," Roussell told The Huffington Post.

The call comes less than a week after the Obama campaign jumped into the recall, organizing phone banks and canvassing operations to get out the vote for the June 5 election.

[KonaKane]

Better late than never, I guess. I don't know what caused the delay.

[Velleity]

(05-16-2012 11:09 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  Better late than never, I guess. I don't know what caused the delay.

The DNC is way behind Republicans in terms of funding. Citizens United and all of that. Not saying it's right, but it is a problem.

[azmouse]

The election is June 5. The fundraiser should have been this week! The money was needed yesterday. Shame on the DNC for not being better prepared.
This is one election that can not be lost by the Democrats.

[NJMaverick]

Is that many of the same people demanding the DNC spend money on the race are the same ones who have already said they have stopped donating to the DNC. If you starve the DNC of cash you don't have a right to complain that they are not spending what they don't have.

[KonaKane]

(05-17-2012 11:29 AM)NJMaverick Wrote:  Is that many of the same people demanding the DNC spend money on the race are the same ones who have already said they have stopped donating to the DNC. If you starve the DNC of cash you don't have a right to complain that they are not spending what they don't have.

So are you saying Wisconsin Democrats had stopped donating to the DNC? I'd love to read more about this, if you have a source.

[Velleity]

(05-17-2012 11:59 AM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 11:29 AM)NJMaverick Wrote:  Is that many of the same people demanding the DNC spend money on the race are the same ones who have already said they have stopped donating to the DNC. If you starve the DNC of cash you don't have a right to complain that they are not spending what they don't have.

So are you saying Wisconsin Democrats had stopped donating to the DNC? I'd love to read more about this, if you have a source.

I haven't seen any animosity toward Wisconsin Democrats.

[NJMaverick]

(05-17-2012 11:59 AM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 11:29 AM)NJMaverick Wrote:  Is that many of the same people demanding the DNC spend money on the race are the same ones who have already said they have stopped donating to the DNC. If you starve the DNC of cash you don't have a right to complain that they are not spending what they don't have.

So are you saying Wisconsin Democrats had stopped donating to the DNC? I'd love to read more about this, if you have a source.

I thought I made myself clear. I am condemning those that like to sit and preen and talk about their ideological purity and love to brag how they stopped giving to the DNC. Yes oddly enough that's not what you read.

Is there a reason you feel the need to constantly jump and wild and highly inaccurate conclusions Kona?

[KonaKane]

(05-17-2012 12:09 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  I thought I made myself clear. I am condemning those that like to sit and preen and talk about their ideological purity and love to brag how they stopped giving to the DNC. Yes oddly enough that's not what you read.

Is there a reason you feel the need to constantly jump and wild and highly inaccurate conclusions Kona?

It seems you are insinuating, in context with this thread, that hand-sitting ideologues are really the culprit of the DNC's Wisconsin problem. I was just asking for more information on this, as it was an intriguing theory. If you don't have any, and were just, you know, thinking out loud, that's OK too.

[Velleity]

(05-17-2012 01:50 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 12:09 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  I thought I made myself clear. I am condemning those that like to sit and preen and talk about their ideological purity and love to brag how they stopped giving to the DNC. Yes oddly enough that's not what you read.

Is there a reason you feel the need to constantly jump and wild and highly inaccurate conclusions Kona?

It seems you are insinuating, in context with this thread, that hand-sitting ideologues are really the culprit of the DNC's Wisconsin problem.

I didn't get that from him at all.

So you're trying to tell us that it is okay on the one hand to stop funding the DNC and then on the other to excoriate them for not having enough money?

How do you reconcile that?

[KonaKane]

(05-17-2012 04:19 PM)Velleity Wrote:  I didn't get that from him at all.

So you're trying to tell us that it is okay on the one hand to stop funding the DNC and then on the other to excoriate them for not having enough money?

How do you reconcile that?

Not sure where you got this fantasy position of mine from...making it up out of the thin air? Nowhere did I say that it's OK to stop funding the DNC.

Mav said:

What I find interesting is that many of the same people demanding the DNC spend money on the race are the same ones who have already said they have stopped donating to the DNC.

Interesting indeed, since we don't know who these "same people" are and he doesn't name them.

The rest is a strawman pouting force keeping the DNC from getting behind the Wisconsin recall.

[NJMaverick]

(05-17-2012 04:31 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 04:19 PM)Velleity Wrote:  I didn't get that from him at all.

So you're trying to tell us that it is okay on the one hand to stop funding the DNC and then on the other to excoriate them for not having enough money?

How do you reconcile that?

Not sure where you got this fantasy position of mine from...making it up out of the thin air? Nowhere did I say that it's OK to stop funding the DNC.

Mav said:

What I find interesting is that many of the same people demanding the DNC spend money on the race are the same ones who have already said they have stopped donating to the DNC.

Interesting indeed, since we don't know who these "same people" are and he doesn't name them.

The rest is a strawman pouting force keeping the DNC from getting behind the Wisconsin recall.

Kona,

Have you noticed you rarely if evef get anything but disagreement when you act this way?

[KonaKane]

(05-17-2012 05:06 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  Kona,

Have you noticed you rarely if evef get anything but disagreement when you act this way?

I notice that it occurs like that in your imagination, Mav. Perhaps you should choose to word your views more carefully so it doesn't turn around on you.

[There Is No Spoon]

I like eggs.

[NJMaverick]

(05-17-2012 05:31 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 05:06 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  Kona,

Have you noticed you rarely if evef get anything but disagreement when you act this way?

I notice that it occurs like that in your imagination, Mav. Perhaps you should choose to word your views more carefully so it doesn't turn around on you.

"Turn around on me" really?

[KonaKane]

(05-17-2012 07:39 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  "Turn around on me" really?

Appears so. Maybe you shouldn't drop nameless stink bombs and then run away. The smoke has a way of finding you.

[NJMaverick]

(05-17-2012 07:41 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(05-17-2012 07:39 PM)NJMaverick Wrote:  "Turn around on me" really?

Appears so. Maybe you shouldn't drop nameless stink bombs and then run away. The smoke has a way of finding you.

Kona,

You seem to have forgotten which side you should be attacking. Attacking Democrats is usually reserved for the professional lefties, the GOP and the right wing nuts. It's unseemly for you to be joining their ranks.

[KonaKane]

(05-18-2012 10:10 AM)NJMaverick Wrote:  Kona,

You seem to have forgotten which side you should be attacking. Attacking Democrats is usually reserved for the professional lefties, the GOP and the right wing nuts. It's unseemly for you to be joining their ranks.

You're a funny one. Tell me more fairy tales about myself, like do I sprout horns and wings and fly around the neighborhood at night eating little children?

[Velleity]

(05-18-2012 11:37 AM)KonaKane Wrote:  [quote='NJMaverick' pid='94855' dateline='1337357433']
Kona,

You seem to have forgotten which side you should be attacking. Attacking Democrats is usually reserved for the professional lefties, the GOP and the right wing nuts. It's unseemly for you to be joining their ranks.
You're a funny one. Tell me more fairy tales about myself, like do I sprout horns and wings and fly around the neighborhood at night eating little children?

You're better when you don't do this.

[KonaKane]

(05-18-2012 02:26 PM)Velleity Wrote:  You're better when you don't do this.

Here's a thought. Instead of making this thread about ME, why don't you address it's actual intent, which was the DNC funding (or not) of the Walker Recall?

Think you can do that?

[Velleity]

(05-18-2012 02:57 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(05-18-2012 02:26 PM)Velleity Wrote:  You're better when you don't do this.

Here's a thought. Instead of making this thread about ME, why don't you address it's actual intent, which was the DNC funding (or not) of the Walker Recall?

Think you can do that?

You need the facts of life Kona. Here you go.

I'll post whatever I want to post, within the TOS.

You, on tbe other hand, do what you think you need to do. You have my permission, but you are better when you don't play your silly game. It's the way it is.

[KonaKane]

(05-18-2012 05:27 PM)Velleity Wrote:  You need the facts of life Kona. Here you go.

I'll post whatever I want to post, within the TOS.

You, on tbe other hand, do what you think you need to do. You have my permission, but you are better when you don't play your silly game. It's the way it is.

So you'd rather turn this thread into one about ME, instead of the issue it was started for. Interesting. Politics of personal destruction I see. You sure you know which side YOU'Re on, buddy?

Or you could start a whole new thread and call it "Let's Talk About Kona". Hell, start a fan club! Maybe a FB adoration page. The sky's the limit.

[There Is No Spoon]

(05-18-2012 08:19 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(05-18-2012 05:27 PM)Velleity Wrote:  You need the facts of life Kona. Here you go.

I'll post whatever I want to post, within the TOS.

You, on tbe other hand, do what you think you need to do. You have my permission, but you are better when you don't play your silly game. It's the way it is.

So you'd rather turn this thread into one about ME, instead of the issue it was started for. Interesting. Politics of personal destruction I see. You sure you know which side YOU'Re on, buddy?

Or you could start a whole new thread and call it "Let's Talk About Kona". Hell, start a fan club! Maybe a FB adoration page. The sky's the limit.

I honestly can't tell if you're kidding or not.

[KonaKane]

(05-18-2012 08:43 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  I honestly can't tell if you're kidding or not.

I'm not kidding, if there is no more interest in the thread let's just make it a full on cult of personality. I'll sell swag. It'll be great.

[Velleity]

(05-18-2012 08:19 PM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(05-18-2012 05:27 PM)Velleity Wrote:  You need the facts of life Kona. Here you go.

I'll post whatever I want to post, within the TOS.

You, on tbe other hand, do what you think you need to do. You have my permission, but you are better when you don't play your silly game. It's the way it is.

So you'd rather turn this thread into one about ME, instead of the issue it was started for. Interesting. Politics of personal destruction I see. You sure you know which side YOU'Re on, buddy?

Or you could start a whole new thread and call it "Let's Talk About Kona". Hell, start a fan club! Maybe a FB adoration page. The sky's the limit.

Which part of "You're better when you don't do this" don't you understand? Of course you know that I was referring to your game, let's call it "Obtuseness" because that's what it is.

Obviously you're seeing that it isn't working, so you're adapting. Now you're trying to play "Martyr".

You're better when you don't play that game too. Maybe you ought to take your own medicine and simply stick to the issues?

Oh, and I call it as I see it. Not much you can do about it either.

[KonaKane]

(05-19-2012 06:10 AM)Velleity Wrote:  Which part of "You're better when you don't do this" don't you understand? Of course you know that I was referring to your game, let's call it "Obtuseness" because that's what it is.

Obviously you're seeing that it isn't working, so you're adapting. Now you're trying to play "Martyr".

You're better when you don't play that game too. Maybe you ought to take your own medicine and simply stick to the issues?

Oh, and I call it as I see it. Not much you can do about it either.

Look up "politics of personal destruction" and figure out why you are not only pulled into playing this game, but are failing at it.

Cheers.

[Velleity]

(05-19-2012 10:47 AM)KonaKane Wrote:  

(05-19-2012 06:10 AM)Velleity Wrote:  Which part of "You're better when you don't do this" don't you understand? Of course you know that I was referring to your game, let's call it "Obtuseness" because that's what it is.

Obviously you're seeing that it isn't working, so you're adapting. Now you're trying to play "Martyr".

You're better when you don't play that game too. Maybe you ought to take your own medicine and simply stick to the issues?

Oh, and I call it as I see it. Not much you can do about it either.

Poor, poor Kona. It's so horrible that I say you're better when you're not busy being obtuse or playing the martyr.




Look up "politics of personal destruction" and figure out why you are not only pulled into playing this game, but are failing at it.

Cheers.

[DFW]

For the record, I was in touch briefly with a friend who happens to be DNC treasurer, and is close to DWS, and he said they would not be ignoring the Wisconsin recall no way no how. The Dean brothers' DFA has a lot of people on the ground there, too.

[KonaKane]

Well that is good news indeed, thanks. I was hoping this was mostly a case of overanxious supporter nerves.

[There Is No Spoon]

Thanks DFW.

It is a shame that a guy who has a defense fund (due to impending corruption charges), was caught planning with a billionaire to "divide and conquer" the state to turn it red and who has one of the worst jobs records in the nation is actually polling ahead of the Democrat and thus requires DNC help, playing into the "outside money" argument of Rove, even if Walker is getting 10x as much outside money.

Don't know about you, but this makes me boiling angry and has me questioning whether Wisconsinites even deserve DNC help.

[Velleity]

Let's not get too excited yet.

[Velleity]

I like Kona. Kona is my friend, but Kona seems to enjoy annoying us by being obtuse.

God only knows why, but it takes all kinds I guess?

[There Is No Spoon]

(05-18-2012 10:25 AM)Velleity Wrote:  I like Kona. Kona is my friend, some of my best friends are Kona

FTFY

[Treestar]

Somebody on that other site posted something to the effect that this is just not true.

I agree with Mav about it likely being the same professional left that bashes the DNC not stepping up and admitting their "Rs are no different than Ds" bullshit just might have had some effects.

[KonaKane]

(05-19-2012 09:40 AM)Treestar Wrote:  Somebody on that other site posted something to the effect that this is just not true.

I agree with Mav about it likely being the same professional left that bashes the DNC not stepping up and admitting their "Rs are no different than Ds" bullshit just might have had some effects.

Yep, I've gotten some conflicting info on it now and it makes me wonder if someone didn't jump the gun when "X wasn't moving fast enough". I've seen it happen before.

I hope what I heard from someone who knows the DNC treasurer, that the DNC will "no how no way" be ignoring the Wisconsin Recall, is true.

------

TINS,

I apologize for producing yet another "thread that won't die" but realize the lion's share of it has been the attempt to refocus it on topic, and pull it away from devolving into our version of "Glee".

[DFW]

To repeat, Andy Tobias, DNC treasurer, has emailed me within the last 48 hours to restate that the DNC is NOT ignoring the Wisconsin recall, and neither is the DGA. I have known Andy for over ten years. He in quite sincere.

Jim and Howard Dean's DFA is also on the ground, spending every cent they get in contributions to GOTV against Walker. Everyone is engaged in this, but the Republicans are outspending us 4 to 1. This is a direct gift from Karl Rove and Dick Cheney when they installed Roberts and Alito onto the Supreme Court. It is up to people like us to let their strategy be successful or not. Be prepared for some serious electoral fraud as well.

This recall is not only crucial for us. Think of the gloating the Republicans will be doing if they win this. If we win 51-49, their crooked vote-counters will flip it, and supposedly they are already leading in the polls. But that is not because the people of Wisconsin love Scott Walker. It is due to dirty Koch money financing a flooding of the media with their propaganda. We can't match that, because we don't have $20 billion to sink into the 2012 elections, but we can get on the ground and do it the hard way. That is what DFA, the DNC and the DGA are working on--tirelessly.

[pappy]

(05-20-2012 06:59 AM)DFW Wrote:  To repeat, Andy Tobias, DNC treasurer, has emailed me within the last 48 hours to restate that the DNC is NOT ignoring the Wisconsin recall, and neither is the DGA. I have known Andy for over ten years. He in quite sincere.

Jim and Howard Dean's DFA is also on the ground, spending every cent they get in contributions to GOTV against Walker. Everyone is engaged in this, but the Republicans are outspending us 4 to 1. This is a direct gift from Karl Rove and Dick Cheney when they installed Roberts and Alito onto the Supreme Court. It is up to people like us to let their strategy be successful or not. Be prepared for some serious electoral fraud as well.

This recall is not only crucial for us. Think of the gloating the Republicans will be doing if they win this. If we win 51-49, their crooked vote-counters will flip it, and supposedly they are already leading in the polls. But that is not because the people of Wisconsin love Scott Walker. It is due to dirty Koch money financing a flooding of the media with their propaganda. We can't match that, because we don't have $20 billion to sink into the 2012 elections, but we can get on the ground and do it the hard way. That is what DFA, the DNC and the DGA are working on--tirelessly.

According to DGA they are putting $2 Million into Wisconsin.

[Born_A_Truman]

Wisconsin Democrats needs to get out and VOTE.