For the water-cooler discussion this week: NYT fact check of GOP debate

[janedrake]

Point-by-point analysis of 1-16-12 GOP debate:
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/debate...act-checks

(Long story short: Almost all of what was pronounced as the God's honest truth
tonight by the remaining GOP candidates was nothing but a pack of lies. (I know -
I'm gobsmacked to hear that, too.) -- not.)

For example:

Quote:Fact Check: Obama and Military Spending
Mitt Romney was wrong in stating that Mr. Obama wants to cut $1 trillion from
military spending. The administration is committed to reductions of less than half
that amount over 10 years - about $450 billion, or roughly 8 percent of the Pentagon
budget over a decade.

Moreover, Congressional Republicans as well as Democrats support the level of cuts
that Mr. Obama seeks. The cuts were mandated as part of the bipartisan deficit-
reduction agreement with Mr. Obama in August. That bipartisan deal does include
another round of cuts in January 2013 that would be automatic, half in domestic
programs and half in the military, and it would bring total military reductions to
about $1 trillion over 10 years. But the administration opposes that outcome for the
Pentagon. Mr. Obama's defense secretary, Leon Panetta, has said reductions on that
scale would be ruinous. Mr. Obama has proposed alternative deficit-reduction
measures to avoid the threatened automatic cuts, but Republicans oppose his plan
because it calls for additional revenues from higher taxes on the wealthy as well as
spending reductions in entitlement benefit programs like Medicare, farm subsidies
and federal pension programs.

[NJMaverick]

when the GOP debates facts take a vacation

[jaxx]

I listened to the debate last night and was disgusted. What a bunch of assholes running for the GOP. It was like kids trying to top each other in what else they could do to destroy anything good. The bootstrap theory is their shining star....clean those toilets and you too can be a millionaire.

[pappy]

(01-17-2012 08:11 AM)jaxx Wrote:  I listened to the debate last night and was disgusted. What a bunch of assholes running for the GOP. It was like kids trying to top each other in what else they could do to destroy anything good. The bootstrap theory is their shining star....clean those toilets and you too can be a millionaire.

On of the talking head pundits (it might have been Anna Marie Cox) said that the audience for this debate was extremely well mic'd up. In the few sound bites I heard it really showed. The audience was, IMHO, as pathetic as the GOP "debaters".

[jaxx]

I noticed that too....the audience was loud with the hooting and booed Juan Williams. Giving Newt a standing ovation for being rude!

[jaxx]

Newt Gingrich Seeks South Carolina Boost From Racially Charged Exchange With Juan Williams

MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. -- It was telling that as soon as the Republican presidential debate ended here Monday night, Newt Gingrich made a beeline to talk to reporters.

Gingrich, the recently embattled, always controversial and irascible former speaker of the House from Georgia, had just watched a massive crowd inside the convention center respond to him with a passionate standing ovation after his confrontation with one of the debate's moderators.

<..> It was a moment that will likely be dissected, debated and discussed for some time: a black journalist being booed by an overwhelmingly white audience in a deep South state on Martin Luther King Day, as a white candidate for president talked about the work ethic in low-income, majority black neighborhoods. It's hard to imagine a more charged few minutes in public life in recent memory.

<..> He tried to make clear that he was not talking only about African Americans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/17...tml?ref=tw

Newt is a POS.

[janedrake]

Hello, Jaxx -- given the current blatantly racist state of the GOP and its candidates (food stamp president, etc.), the fact that this debate was held on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day in South Carolina was a slap in the face right out of the gate. Add to it, all of them are dangerous idiots - the only thing that varies is the degree to which they can obscure that fact.

[jaxx]

(01-17-2012 09:22 AM)janedrake Wrote:  Hello, Jaxx -- given the current blatantly racist state of the GOP and its candidates (food stamp president, etc.), the fact that this debate was held on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day in South Carolina was a slap in the face right out of the gate. Add to it, all of them are dangerous idiots - the only thing that varies is the degree to which they can obscure that fact.

I know. It seems to me the GOP is ramping up the rhetoric more each day. It makes me sick that they get by with this....but then look at the fools who applaud them.

[jaxx]

Debate audience, or whooping football crowd?
By Todd Graham, Special to CNN
updated 9:10 AM EST, Tue January 17, 2012

(CNN) -- Lately it's hard to tell the difference between a presidential debate and "The Jerry Springer Show." Yeah, I know. Some of you have been saying this for months. But my comment isn't a criticism of the candidates, but the live audience. I was hoping this audience "whoop" factor would go away over the long debate season, but it has only grown worse.

Are they serving alcohol at the debates? It seems like it. In last night's Republican presidential debate, held in the Myrtle Beach Convention Center in South Carolina, the chaotic audience once again played an awkward role in the questions and answers.

<..> It was especially annoying because the live audience was booing their disapproval at inappropriate times. Two examples. Juan Williams, one of the moderators, was asking Mitt Romney about his immigration policies when he was interrupted in mid-question. Williams had begun the question by stating that Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico. "Boo!" came the shouts from the audience. What? What in the world were they booing? I still have no idea. It could have been Juan Williams, the question, Romney's father, or Romney's position on immigration. It made no sense.

<..> But the audience mistimed its reaction and used most of its vitriol immediately after Paul said the American people wouldn't like it if the United States were treated the same way it treated other countries. Paul reiterated his stance that we should use the golden rule -- do unto others as you would have them do unto you -- when the boos rang out. I couldn't believe it. I was indeed hearing this correctly. The crazed audience at the presidential debate actually booed the golden-freaking-rule. What's next? Helping old women cross the street? "Boo! ... Villain!" Puppies? "Hiss ... Shame!"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/17/opinion/gr...?hpt=hp_c1

What makes the SC voters tick?

[pappy]

(01-17-2012 09:38 AM)jaxx Wrote:  Debate audience, or whooping football crowd?
By Todd Graham, Special to CNN
updated 9:10 AM EST, Tue January 17, 2012

(CNN) -- Lately it's hard to tell the difference between a presidential debate and "The Jerry Springer Show." Yeah, I know. Some of you have been saying this for months. But my comment isn't a criticism of the candidates, but the live audience. I was hoping this audience "whoop" factor would go away over the long debate season, but it has only grown worse.

Are they serving alcohol at the debates? It seems like it. In last night's Republican presidential debate, held in the Myrtle Beach Convention Center in South Carolina, the chaotic audience once again played an awkward role in the questions and answers.

<..> It was especially annoying because the live audience was booing their disapproval at inappropriate times. Two examples. Juan Williams, one of the moderators, was asking Mitt Romney about his immigration policies when he was interrupted in mid-question. Williams had begun the question by stating that Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico. "Boo!" came the shouts from the audience. What? What in the world were they booing? I still have no idea. It could have been Juan Williams, the question, Romney's father, or Romney's position on immigration. It made no sense.

<..> But the audience mistimed its reaction and used most of its vitriol immediately after Paul said the American people wouldn't like it if the United States were treated the same way it treated other countries. Paul reiterated his stance that we should use the golden rule -- do unto others as you would have them do unto you -- when the boos rang out. I couldn't believe it. I was indeed hearing this correctly. The crazed audience at the presidential debate actually booed the golden-freaking-rule. What's next? Helping old women cross the street? "Boo! ... Villain!" Puppies? "Hiss ... Shame!"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/17/opinion/gr...?hpt=hp_c1

What makes the SC voters tick?

Now there is an idea I can get behind, a Jerry Springer moderated GOP debate.

[janedrake]

(01-17-2012 09:38 AM)jaxx Wrote:  Debate audience, or whooping football crowd?
By Todd Graham, Special to CNN
updated 9:10 AM EST, Tue January 17, 2012

(CNN) -- Lately it's hard to tell the difference between a presidential debate and "The Jerry Springer Show." Yeah, I know. Some of you have been saying this for months. But my comment isn't a criticism of the candidates, but the live audience. I was hoping this audience "whoop" factor would go away over the long debate season, but it has only grown worse.

Are they serving alcohol at the debates? It seems like it. In last night's Republican presidential debate, held in the Myrtle Beach Convention Center in South Carolina, the chaotic audience once again played an awkward role in the questions and answers.

<..> It was especially annoying because the live audience was booing their disapproval at inappropriate times. Two examples. Juan Williams, one of the moderators, was asking Mitt Romney about his immigration policies when he was interrupted in mid-question. Williams had begun the question by stating that Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico. "Boo!" came the shouts from the audience. What? What in the world were they booing? I still have no idea. It could have been Juan Williams, the question, Romney's father, or Romney's position on immigration. It made no sense.

<..> But the audience mistimed its reaction and used most of its vitriol immediately after Paul said the American people wouldn't like it if the United States were treated the same way it treated other countries. Paul reiterated his stance that we should use the golden rule -- do unto others as you would have them do unto you -- when the boos rang out. I couldn't believe it. I was indeed hearing this correctly. The crazed audience at the presidential debate actually booed the golden-freaking-rule. What's next? Helping old women cross the street? "Boo! ... Villain!" Puppies? "Hiss ... Shame!"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/17/opinion/gr...?hpt=hp_c1

What makes the SC voters tick?

Glad to see that in the "mainstream," Jaxx - thanks for posting.

[Treestar]

[jaxx]

[OptimistesMaddie]

This will come back to haunt him. He does not represent or care about women, gays, minorities, poor oh hell 99% of Americans.

Oh and Jaun this is what happens when you step for the man.....you eventually get thrown to the back of the bus.

[SeattleGirl]

run over numerous times by that racist, ugly crowd.

I didn't watch the debate, but I did see the "low lights" on several news shows today.

It just turns my stomach that people would act that way.

(01-17-2012 08:02 PM)OptimistesMaddie Wrote:  This will come back to haunt him. He does not represent or care about women, gays, minorities, poor oh hell 99% of Americans.

Oh and Jaun this is what happens when you step for the man.....you eventually get thrown to the back of the bus.