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***NJMaverick*** · 01-06-2012, 10:48 AM

I remember Jon Stewart, the right wingers and the GOP making this out to be like some sort of Water Gate level scandal. Turns all the serious allegations were just slanderous. The reality is this wasn't a banner action or event, but there was nothing illegal, unseemly or immoral. The only thing that even approaches wrong doing is the White House rushed the loans to be finalized by a couple of days so it would match the timing of speeches and events. However even with this, officials admit more time wouldn't have changed their minds.

http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/a...php#page-1

**jaxx** · 01-06-2012, 10:55 AM

Good. Maybe they'll shut up about it now.

**pappy** · 01-06-2012, 11:04 AM

(01-06-2012 10:55 AM)jaxx Wrote: Good. Maybe they'll shut up about it now.

When did an inconvenient truth ever shut them up? Besides, the story is already out there and enough of the same people that are still looking for his birth certificate will keep the pot stirred.

**Brainwreck** · 01-06-2012, 11:33 AM

It would be nice to think the truth would change any of the bobble-headed liars out there, but we all know better. If we pitch their lies back fast enough maybe they will all drown in the backwash of their own rhetoric. I do believe this year promises to be a bit of a wild ride. I am so glad I am a Democrat!!

**janedrake** · 01-06-2012, 11:41 AM

Thanks for posting this, Mav. Jon Stewart seems to have lost his mind. I haven't watched him in ages.

**RoyGBiv** · 01-06-2012, 12:20 PM

Jon Stewart is a comedian.

It is just bizarre to me how people fixate on him, pro or con. Either he is funny or he is not. Whether he is truthful is not an issue. Comedians rarely are.

IOW, why name him up top? There are a lot of deep problems with the lies told about this issue, and none of them have anything to do with the entertainment industry.

***NJMaverick*** · 01-06-2012, 12:27 PM

(01-06-2012 12:20 PM)RoyGBiv Wrote: Jon Stewart is a comedian.

It is just bizarre to me how people fixate on him, pro or con. Either he is funny or he is not. Whether he is truthful is not an issue. Comedians rarely are.

IOW, why name him up top? There are a lot of deep problems with the lies told about this issue, and none of them have anything to do with the entertainment industry.

"Jon Steward is a comedian" is not a very accurate description of Jon or the role he plays. After all there are not many comedians that have been mentioned and talked about by the President on multiple occasions. There are not many comedians that have had President Obama appear on their show (technically a candidate at that point). Finally there are not many comedians that have hosted well attended political rallies.

So a far more accurate description of Jon Stewart is talk show host/political commentator/comedian

**JuniperLea** · 01-06-2012, 02:12 PM

(01-06-2012 12:20 PM)RoyGBiv Wrote: Jon Stewart is a comedian.

It is just bizarre to me how people fixate on him, pro or con. Either he is funny or he is not. Whether he is truthful is not an issue. Comedians rarely are.

IOW, why name him up top? There are a lot of deep problems with the lies told about this issue, and none of them have anything to do with the entertainment industry.

I remember my boss asking me how it was that a president would allow himself to be called "Dude" by someone in the press. My response was: "Dude" is a term of endearment... and this is the kindest thing I've heard anyone on the boob tube call Obama! And the most ridiculous bit is, all you Pubbies are so hateful that you jump at the first thing you can spin into a slight! So rabid is your response that you completely overlook any real issue... such as why the hell is a president allowing himself to be interviewed by a f****** comedian? EGAD! Idiots!!!

**sandnsea** · 01-06-2012, 05:47 PM

(01-06-2012 12:20 PM)RoyGBiv Wrote: Jon Stewart is a comedian.

It is just bizarre to me how people fixate on him, pro or con. Either he is funny or he is not. Whether he is truthful is not an issue. Comedians rarely are.

IOW, why name him up top? There are a lot of deep problems with the lies told about this issue, and none of them have anything to do with the entertainment industry.

Wow. Just wow.

First, Jon Stewart isn't the typical comedian. A good portion of his career and television program is built on the premise that he tells the truth that the real media routinely omits.

Second, it is much like David Letterman making jokes at Obama. He *has* to in order to retain any semblance of impartiality. Consequently he does nothing but harangue on the economy, even when it shows clear signs of improvement. So when Jon Stewart does it, for the same reason, it's good to call him on it.

I am so sick of the insistence that all politicians are crooks and the intimidation people feel to engage in that meme.

Where there's smoke there's fire? Well in politics, where there's Democratic wisps there's an inferno, and where there's a Republican inferno there's just a pretty candle at the altar. Really.

**RoyGBiv** · 01-06-2012, 09:47 PM

(01-06-2012 05:47 PM)sandnsea Wrote: First, Jon Stewart isn't the typical comedian. A good portion of his career and television program is built on the premise that he tells the truth that the real media routinely omits.

A good portion of his career is built on that perception. He exploits that perception and always has. What he does is take items that are in the popular media and exaggerate them for comedic effect. His act doesn't work unless he does that.

I've never found him particularly funny, although he does hit a nerve at times and can be funny. But it is hit or miss enough that I don't tend to bother unless I know Lewis Black is going to be on.

Still, none of that is my point. I wondered "aloud" why people fixate on him. He didn't start this. He used it for a bit. It was already a raging story when he did so, and it seems to me those who initiated the lie should at least get some small mention as opposed to a comic.

Anyway ... whatever floats your boat. I realize this discussion is pointless and that I probably shouldn't have bothered.

**KonaKane** · 01-06-2012, 03:39 PM

This Solyndra bullshit was red meat for the wingnuts and racists. An easy way to combat it was to note that less than a handful of almost 200 Green Energy companies receiving government loans or subsidies, have "failed". That's the kind of record that any company would be envious of.

Don't expect the facts to make a dent in the usual suspects, but there is always a chance that an undecided person with a brain is within earshot.

**Treestar** · 01-06-2012, 03:44 PM

They don't quit trying on the negative, because they don't have anything positive.

**Velleity** · 01-06-2012, 03:53 PM

(01-06-2012 10:48 AM)NJMaverick Wrote: I remember Jon Stewart, the right wingers and the GOP making this out to be like some sort of Water Gate level scandal. Turns all the serious allegations were just slanderous. The reality is this wasn't a banner action or event, but there was nothing illegal, unseemly or immoral. The only thing that even approaches wrong doing is the White House rushed the loans to be finalized by a couple of days so it would match the timing of speeches and events. However even with this, officials admit more time wouldn't have changed their minds.

http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/a...php#page-1

As we all suspected. They are desperate to have a scandal and truth is of no concern to "conservatives".