If ... Rosen count(s) as an extension of the Obama campaign, then Nugent is fair game

[There Is No Spoon]

Nugent draws the Secret Service's attention

By Steve Benen
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:51 PM EDT
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Appearing at the NRA's national convention, Nugent was trying to rally support for Mitt Romney by calling President Obama a criminal who leads a "vile, evil America-hating administration" which is "wiping its ass with the Constitution." The musician/reality-show personality added, in reference to the 2012 elections, "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will be either be dead or in jail by this time next year.... We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November. Any questions?"

He went on to say, "It isn't the enemy that ruined America. It's good people who bent over and let the enemy in. If the coyote's in your living room pissing on your couch, it's not the coyote's fault. It's your fault for not shooting him."

So, why should anyone care about Nugent's latest ridiculous tirade? Well, for one thing, a spokesman for the Secret Service confirmed to Dan Amira, "We are aware of it, and we'll conduct an appropriate follow up."

For another, if the Romney campaign wants to pretend that Bill Maher and Hilary Rosen count as an extension of the Obama campaign, then Nugent certainly appears to be fair game as a key Romney ally. After all, Romney actively sought, and eventually earned, Nugent's personal endorsement after a private discussion between the two just last month.

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All is fair in politics, Ms. Ann - so as I said in another thread today, when is Romnikins going to apologize for what his "official" spokesman - Ted Nugent - said at the NRA convention? It was clearly an anti-American and traitorous rant from a Romney spokesman.

[PoliticalTiger]

As noted, Romney sought out Nugent's endorsement, knowing this piece of filth has been married several times, cheating on each wife, having children out of wedlock and refusing to even pay child support until ordered to do so by a judge, a "man" who adopted his 16 year old girlfriend when he was 30, a "man" who called Hillary Clinton a "bitch," and a "man" who is now under investigation by the Secret Service for threatening the president - and what does Willard Mitt Romney have say about all this? Nothing! If Ted Nugent is the type of person Mitt Romney would seek out for an endorsement, what does that say about Mitt Romney?

[SeattleGirl]

(04-17-2012 02:59 PM)PoliticalTiger Wrote:  As noted, Romney sought out Nugent's endorsement, knowing this piece of filth has been married several times, cheating on each wife, having children out of wedlock and refusing to even pay child support until ordered to do so by a judge, a "man" who adopted his 16 year old girlfriend when he was 30, a "man" who called Hillary Clinton a "bitch," and a "man" who is now under investigation by the Secret Service for threatening the president - and what does Willard Mitt Romney have say about all this? Nothing! If Ted Nugent is the type of person Mitt Romney would seek out for an endorsement, what does that say about Mitt Romney?

Just shows me even more that Romney would sell his soul to win the election.

[KonaKane]

Yep, that's quite a resume isn't it. What a POS.

[Born_A_Truman]

I would love to see TN perp walked but he'd just be a martyr for the idiots that cheered the dumb phuck at the NRA.

[jaxx]

Hell yes Nugent is fair game. Anybody who says those kind of things is reckless. That NRA convention was a teabaggers den of hatred.

[KonaKane]

If someone on the Democratic side had said something one TENTH as threatening as that when GWB was in the White House, they would have jailed the whole DNC.

[Brewman_Jax]

If ... Rosen count(s) as an extension of the Obama campaign, then Nugent is fair game

Absolutely! That sorry, unpatriotic, draft-dodging, asshole Nugent needs to be the albatross on Romney's neck. Along with Romney's regular foot-in-mouth sessions, this needs to be all over the news and Net.

[azmouse]

If Nugent thinks he'll be dead or jailed in one year, I'm in agreement.

[There Is No Spoon]

(04-17-2012 09:53 PM)azmouse Wrote:  If Nugent thinks he'll be dead or jailed in one year, I'm in agreement.

Uh-huh.

Most popular response on reddit:

"So it's a win/win/win situation?"

[sandnsea]

Of course he counts. But Hilary Rosen is a key Democratic consultant and advocate. She might not be on the Obama campaign payroll, but she's definitely got huge pull in the Dem Party. She was the head of the RIAA until 2003, and is one of the big reasons it gets as much policy attention as it does. It's silly to compare her and Ted Nugent.

[There Is No Spoon]

(04-18-2012 12:26 AM)sandnsea Wrote:  Of course he counts. But Hilary Rosen is a key Democratic consultant and advocate. She might not be on the Obama campaign payroll, but she's definitely got huge pull in the Dem Party. She was the head of the RIAA until 2003, and is one of the big reasons it gets as much policy attention as it does. It's silly to compare her and Ted Nugent.

Absolutely. Rosen, who phrased something poorly, should not be compared to Ted Nugent, who advocates violence if elections don't go his way. Nugent is much more representative of why this country is going to hell and any politician who begs for his endorsement and doesn't condemn his murderous rant is as guilty of "looking the other way" when sedition is pushed as a political solution as Nugent is.

[jaxx]

(04-18-2012 12:26 AM)sandnsea Wrote:  Of course he counts. But Hilary Rosen is a key Democratic consultant and advocate. She might not be on the Obama campaign payroll, but she's definitely got huge pull in the Dem Party. She was the head of the RIAA until 2003, and is one of the big reasons it gets as much policy attention as it does. It's silly to compare her and Ted Nugent.

So because she was somebody way back in 2003 she is more accountable for what she says than Nugent who talks reckless violence? Interesting concept, one I totally disagree with.

[sandnsea]

(04-18-2012 08:26 AM)jaxx Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 12:26 AM)sandnsea Wrote:  Of course he counts. But Hilary Rosen is a key Democratic consultant and advocate. She might not be on the Obama campaign payroll, but she's definitely got huge pull in the Dem Party. She was the head of the RIAA until 2003, and is one of the big reasons it gets as much policy attention as it does. It's silly to compare her and Ted Nugent.

So because she was somebody way back in 2003 she is more accountable for what she says than Nugent who talks reckless violence? Interesting concept, one I totally disagree with.

I think you might have misunderstood my post. She was head of the RIAA back in 2003. She moved into political consulting after that. She was one of Hillary Clinton's campaign consultants. She's not "somebody way back in 2003". She's somebody right now. It's outrageous to compare her to a pig like Ted Nugent. It's like comparing Michelle Obama and Snookie. It's absurd. God help us if the President ever seeks Snookie's endorsement.

[jaxx]

(04-18-2012 10:59 AM)sandnsea Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 08:26 AM)jaxx Wrote:  So because she was somebody way back in 2003 she is more accountable for what she says than Nugent who talks reckless violence? Interesting concept, one I totally disagree with.

I think you might have misunderstood my post. She was head of the RIAA back in 2003. She moved into political consulting after that. She was one of Hillary Clinton's campaign consultants. She's not "somebody way back in 2003". She's somebody right now. It's outrageous to compare her to a pig like Ted Nugent. It's like comparing Michelle Obama and Snookie. It's absurd. God help us if the President ever seeks Snookie's endorsement.

I think what is being compared is that Rosen was called on her comment and Nugent hasn't been by the wingers, namely Romney. I haven't seen anyone equate the two as persons.

Rosen's name wasn't known to me before this came up. I've always been an Obama supporter.

[sandnsea]

(04-18-2012 11:09 AM)jaxx Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 10:59 AM)sandnsea Wrote:  I think you might have misunderstood my post. She was head of the RIAA back in 2003. She moved into political consulting after that. She was one of Hillary Clinton's campaign consultants. She's not "somebody way back in 2003". She's somebody right now. It's outrageous to compare her to a pig like Ted Nugent. It's like comparing Michelle Obama and Snookie. It's absurd. God help us if the President ever seeks Snookie's endorsement.

I think what is being compared is that Rosen was called on her comment and Nugent hasn't been by the wingers, namely Romney. I haven't seen anyone equate the two as persons.

Rosen's name wasn't known to me before this came up. I've always been an Obama supporter.

Has any key Democrat said anything about Ted Nugent's comments? He's nuts. Why would campaign officials waste their time on Ted Nugent?? He's just one more pig in an overflowing sty. The country clearly doesn't care that we live in a pig sty. If you want to do it, do it on a slow weekend to take the focus off something else. Otherwise, stay on the current message. Women's Rights.

The reason Hilary Rosen's comment got the attention it did is because she *is* high in the Democratic Party. You simply never say, of any mother, "she never worked a day in her life". You just don't. If WE let it go, it would be over. That's why the right's gaffe's disappear. They apologize and then quit engaging, other than saying "yes, he/she apologized". It takes two to have a fight.

[jaxx]

(04-18-2012 11:21 AM)sandnsea Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 11:09 AM)jaxx Wrote:  I think what is being compared is that Rosen was called on her comment and Nugent hasn't been by the wingers, namely Romney. I haven't seen anyone equate the two as persons.

Rosen's name wasn't known to me before this came up. I've always been an Obama supporter.

Has any key Democrat said anything about Ted Nugent's comments? He's nuts. Why would campaign officials waste their time on Ted Nugent?? He's just one more pig in an overflowing sty. The country clearly doesn't care that we live in a pig sty. If you want to do it, do it on a slow weekend to take the focus off something else. Otherwise, stay on the current message. Women's Rights.

The reason Hilary Rosen's comment got the attention it did is because she *is* high in the Democratic Party. You simply never say, of any mother, "she never worked a day in her life". You just don't. If WE let it go, it would be over. That's why the right's gaffe's disappear. They apologize and then quit engaging, other than saying "yes, he/she apologized". It takes two to have a fight.

I'd call Debbie Wasserman Schultz a key Democrat. Letting the comments from the right slide because they're nuts is why they keep making those kinds of comments.

[suzie]

(04-18-2012 11:35 AM)jaxx Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 11:21 AM)sandnsea Wrote:  Has any key Democrat said anything about Ted Nugent's comments? He's nuts. Why would campaign officials waste their time on Ted Nugent?? He's just one more pig in an overflowing sty. The country clearly doesn't care that we live in a pig sty. If you want to do it, do it on a slow weekend to take the focus off something else. Otherwise, stay on the current message. Women's Rights.

The reason Hilary Rosen's comment got the attention it did is because she *is* high in the Democratic Party. You simply never say, of any mother, "she never worked a day in her life". You just don't. If WE let it go, it would be over. That's why the right's gaffe's disappear. They apologize and then quit engaging, other than saying "yes, he/she apologized". It takes two to have a fight.

I'd call Debbie Wasserman Schultz a key Democrat. Letting the comments from the right slide because they're nuts is why they keep making those kinds of comments.

I'd say Nancy Pelosi was a pretty key Democrat also.

Nugent has a far greater likely impact than Rosen, who has very little linkage to the Obamas. I also had to look her up to find out who she is.

He's someone whose endorsement Romney sought and now doesn't really want to condemn for fear of angering the rabid Obama hating, gun toting mob. Who's out there calling top women elected officials "varmints."

That's really unacceptable and Democrats are absolutely correct to keep up the pressure on this one.

[KonaKane]

(04-18-2012 01:09 PM)suzie Wrote:  Nugent has a far greater likely impact than Rosen, who has very little linkage to the Obamas. I also had to look her up to find out who she is.

Nothing makes a better point about all this, than what is bolded above.

[There Is No Spoon]

(04-18-2012 11:09 AM)jaxx Wrote:  ...
Rosen's name wasn't known to me before this came up. I've always been an Obama supporter.

Same here - Nugent is a much more well-known spokesperson for the right than Rosen is for the left.

[Willinois]

He was the featured speaker at a Republican fundraising event in my town last month. Clearly, the GOP has formally embraced him as a spokesperson if they put him on their speaking circuit.

[KonaKane]

The right's gaffe's "disappear" because they are absorbed by their own either as gospel truth, or quietly ignored (silence = consent) if they are too offensive even for the right wing rank and file. The media helps reinforce them or, or explain them away.

The left's gaffes are blarred from the prayer towers of the news media, on a 24/7 cycle, and we are all to ready and willing to start ripping out our own throats over them.

[sandnsea]

(04-18-2012 11:52 AM)KonaKane Wrote:  The right's gaffe's "disappear" because they are absorbed by their own either as gospel truth, or quietly ignored (silence = consent) if they are too offensive even for the right wing rank and file. The media helps reinforce them or, or explain them away.

The left's gaffes are blarred from the prayer towers of the news media, on a 24/7 cycle, and we are all to ready and willing to start ripping out our own throats over them.

And another part of the reason the left's gaffes stay in the media is because there is always a large contingent defending nonsense that should just go away, which it would if it were "quietly ignored". Nobody is ripping Hilary Rosen's throat out. Acknowledging a poorly chosen set of words is called civility. It should, In No Way, be compared to a crazy man making crazy remarks. It's insulting to Hilary Rosen. You really think she should be put in the same garbage heap as Ted Nugent?? Send the FBI in. And for the love of god - Move The Fuck On.

[KonaKane]

(04-18-2012 12:11 PM)sandnsea Wrote:  .....You really think she should be put in the same garbage heap as Ted Nugent?? Send the FBI in. And for the love of god - Move The Fuck On.

To repeat: The comparison is not in the quality of the two individuals, it is how their remarks are perceived and treated among their own sides, the other side and in the media.

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the dynamic in play for these two sides is starkly different and has long been so. To our detriment.

[jaxx]

I've had MSNBC on today and nearly every show has shown the Nugent videos. We shouldn't move on and act like it's ok, the GOP uses him to ramp up the rhetoric and ignoring him lets the next one step up. Rep. West called 80 members of Democrats in the House communists. Yes, he's another nut.....no his words shouldn't be ignored either. When did Democrats become afraid to confront the repubs?

Stand up for the Democrats. I'll move on when I'm dead, until then the nuts get by with nothing.

[There Is No Spoon]

Nugent:

[jaxx]

(04-18-2012 01:09 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Nugent:

[SeattleGirl]

(04-18-2012 01:09 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  Nugent:

LOL, I love it TINS!!

[sandnsea]

Two bottom lines.

If you seriously, seriously, think Ted Nugent is all that fucking important that you want to waste your wind on him - knock yourself out.

If you seriously, seriously, did not know who Hilary Rosen is - then pay more goddamn attention and don't blame ME because you weren't paying attention.

Hilary Rosen probably has more influence than Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, although certainly less than Nancy Pelosi. And Ted Nugent isn't a spit in the wind to any of them. Other than to insure the FBI pays hime a visit, he's a Colossal Waste Of Time.

If you seriously want to waste your time on Ted ShitPants Nugent - knock yourselves out. Good God. I have so much to do that FIVE of me couldn't get it all done. Ted Nugent??? Really????

Bye. Again.

[jaxx]

(04-18-2012 02:34 PM)sandnsea Wrote:  Two bottom lines.

If you seriously, seriously, think Ted Nugent is all that fucking important that you want to waste your wind on him - knock yourself out.

If you seriously, seriously, did not know who Hilary Rosen is - then pay more goddamn attention and don't blame ME because you weren't paying attention.

Hilary Rosen probably has more influence than Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, although certainly less than Nancy Pelosi. And Ted Nugent isn't a spit in the wind to any of them. Other than to insure the FBI pays hime a visit, he's a Colossal Waste Of Time.

If you seriously want to waste your time on Ted ShitPants Nugent - knock yourselves out. Good God. I have so much to do that FIVE of me couldn't get it all done. Ted Nugent??? Really????

Bye. Again.

That was rather confrontational. Best to stick to the subject and leave personal comments out of it.
Thank you.
jaxx

[sandnsea]

(04-18-2012 08:26 PM)jaxx Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 02:34 PM)sandnsea Wrote:  Two bottom lines.

If you seriously, seriously, think Ted Nugent is all that fucking important that you want to waste your wind on him - knock yourself out.

If you seriously, seriously, did not know who Hilary Rosen is - then pay more goddamn attention and don't blame ME because you weren't paying attention.

Hilary Rosen probably has more influence than Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, although certainly less than Nancy Pelosi. And Ted Nugent isn't a spit in the wind to any of them. Other than to insure the FBI pays hime a visit, he's a Colossal Waste Of Time.

If you seriously want to waste your time on Ted ShitPants Nugent - knock yourselves out. Good God. I have so much to do that FIVE of me couldn't get it all done. Ted Nugent??? Really????

Bye. Again.

That was rather confrontational. Best to stick to the subject and leave personal comments out of it.
Thank you.
jaxx

I know. Personal comments are only acceptable when they're directed at me.

[KonaKane]

Head, meet wall. Repeat.

[There Is No Spoon]

[OptimistesMaddie]

This is ridiculous, where is the outrage from the right especially after their reaction to the Dixie Chicks. The chicks never made threats or instigated threats...WTF?

[SeattleGirl]

(04-18-2012 06:44 PM)OptimistesMaddie Wrote:  This is ridiculous, where is the outrage from the right especially after their reaction to the Dixie Chicks. The chicks never made threats or instigated threats...WTF?

Just remember, IOKIYAR

[There Is No Spoon]

(04-18-2012 08:20 PM)SeattleGirl Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 06:44 PM)OptimistesMaddie Wrote:  This is ridiculous, where is the outrage from the right especially after their reaction to the Dixie Chicks. The chicks never made threats or instigated threats...WTF?

Just remember, IOKIYAR

Fixed. IOKIYARPOSHAH

It's OK if you're a Republican piece of shit hypocritical ass hole.

[SeattleGirl]

(04-19-2012 06:31 AM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 08:20 PM)SeattleGirl Wrote:  Just remember, IOKIYAR

Fixed. IOKIYARPOSHAH

It's OK if you're a Republican piece of shit hypocritical ass hole.

Ah yes, that is much more accurate!