Zimmerman's attorney on Trayvon Martin:

[jaxx]

April 4th, 2012
09:53 PM ET
Zimmerman's attorney on Trayvon Martin: "Young man made a terrible decision when he decided to smack somebody in the face"

In the aftermath of the Trayvon Martin case, on Wednesday "Piers Morgan Tonight" welcomed a trio of lawyers to the program, all hoping to bring to light details from the incident on February 26th.

Joining host Piers Morgan for a live interview, Hal Uhrig denounced the theory that Martin's death was a result of racial profiling:




http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04...heir-nose/

So the story grows from the Zimmerman side. This is a new lawyer for Z.

[jaxx]

Veteran attorney Hal Uhrig joins George Zimmerman's defense team, reports say

(CBS) SANFORD, Fla. - Veteran Orlando-area criminal defense attorney Hal Uhrig announced today that he is joining George Zimmerman's legal advisory team.

Uhrig told FOX affiliate WOFL that he is confident Zimmerman acted in self-defense when he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford on Feb. 26.

<..> Zimmerman passed a voice stress test, something similar to a lie detector test, that was administered by Sanford police, Uhrig told the station.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5...ports-say/

Anybody know anything about a voice stress test?

[SeattleGirl]

(04-04-2012 09:51 PM)jaxx Wrote:  Veteran attorney Hal Uhrig joins George Zimmerman's defense team, reports say

(CBS) SANFORD, Fla. - Veteran Orlando-area criminal defense attorney Hal Uhrig announced today that he is joining George Zimmerman's legal advisory team.

Uhrig told FOX affiliate WOFL that he is confident Zimmerman acted in self-defense when he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford on Feb. 26.

<..> Zimmerman passed a voice stress test, something similar to a lie detector test, that was administered by Sanford police, Uhrig told the station.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5...ports-say/

Anybody know anything about a voice stress test?

I've heard of them, but didn't know a lot so I looked it up and found this:

Law enforcement agencies across the country have invested millions of dollars in voice stress analysis (VSA) software programs.[1] One crucial question, however, remains unanswered:

Does VSA actually work?

According to a recent study funded by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ), two of the most popular VSA programs in use by police departments across the country are no better than flipping a coin when it comes to detecting deception regarding recent drug use. The study's findings also noted, however, that the mere presence of a VSA program during an interrogation may deter a respondent from giving a false answer.

<snip>

Researchers with the Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services (including this author) used these VSA programs while questioning more than 300 arrestees about their recent drug use. The results of the VSA output—which ostensibly indicated whether the arrestees were lying or telling the truth—were then compared to their urine drug test results. The findings of our study revealed:
Deceptive respondents. Fifteen percent who said they had not used drugs—but who, according to their urine tests, had—were correctly identified by the VSA programs as being deceptive.
Nondeceptive respondents. Eight and a half percent who were telling the truth—that is, their urine tests were consistent with their statements that they had or had not used drugs—were incorrectly classified by the VSA programs as being deceptive.

<snip>

Link: http://www.nij.gov/journals/259/voice-st...alysis.htm

Doesn't seem that they are very reliable.

[jaxx]

(04-04-2012 09:57 PM)SeattleGirl Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 09:51 PM)jaxx Wrote:  Veteran attorney Hal Uhrig joins George Zimmerman's defense team, reports say

(CBS) SANFORD, Fla. - Veteran Orlando-area criminal defense attorney Hal Uhrig announced today that he is joining George Zimmerman's legal advisory team.

Uhrig told FOX affiliate WOFL that he is confident Zimmerman acted in self-defense when he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford on Feb. 26.

<..> Zimmerman passed a voice stress test, something similar to a lie detector test, that was administered by Sanford police, Uhrig told the station.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5...ports-say/

Anybody know anything about a voice stress test?

I've heard of them, but didn't know a lot so I looked it up and found this:

Law enforcement agencies across the country have invested millions of dollars in voice stress analysis (VSA) software programs.[1] One crucial question, however, remains unanswered:

Does VSA actually work?

According to a recent study funded by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ), two of the most popular VSA programs in use by police departments across the country are no better than flipping a coin when it comes to detecting deception regarding recent drug use. The study's findings also noted, however, that the mere presence of a VSA program during an interrogation may deter a respondent from giving a false answer.

<snip>

Researchers with the Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services (including this author) used these VSA programs while questioning more than 300 arrestees about their recent drug use. The results of the VSA output—which ostensibly indicated whether the arrestees were lying or telling the truth—were then compared to their urine drug test results. The findings of our study revealed:
Deceptive respondents. Fifteen percent who said they had not used drugs—but who, according to their urine tests, had—were correctly identified by the VSA programs as being deceptive.
Nondeceptive respondents. Eight and a half percent who were telling the truth—that is, their urine tests were consistent with their statements that they had or had not used drugs—were incorrectly classified by the VSA programs as being deceptive.

<snip>

Link: http://www.nij.gov/journals/259/voice-st...alysis.htm

Doesn't seem that they are very reliable.

Thanks for looking that up. Did the Sanford PD use that in place of a drug test on Z? It doesn't sound very conclusive to me.

[SeattleGirl]

(04-04-2012 10:01 PM)jaxx Wrote:  Thanks for looking that up. Did the Sanford PD use that in place of a drug test on Z? It doesn't sound very conclusive to me.

I have no idea -- Zimmerman's father could be talking out of his backside again. And I agree; not very conclusive if the DID do that test on Zimmerman.

[PoliticalTiger]

(04-04-2012 09:57 PM)SeattleGirl Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 09:51 PM)jaxx Wrote:  Veteran attorney Hal Uhrig joins George Zimmerman's defense team, reports say

(CBS) SANFORD, Fla. - Veteran Orlando-area criminal defense attorney Hal Uhrig announced today that he is joining George Zimmerman's legal advisory team.

Uhrig told FOX affiliate WOFL that he is confident Zimmerman acted in self-defense when he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford on Feb. 26.

<..> Zimmerman passed a voice stress test, something similar to a lie detector test, that was administered by Sanford police, Uhrig told the station.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5...ports-say/

Anybody know anything about a voice stress test?

I've heard of them, but didn't know a lot so I looked it up and found this:

Law enforcement agencies across the country have invested millions of dollars in voice stress analysis (VSA) software programs.[1] One crucial question, however, remains unanswered:

Does VSA actually work?

According to a recent study funded by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ), two of the most popular VSA programs in use by police departments across the country are no better than flipping a coin when it comes to detecting deception regarding recent drug use. The study's findings also noted, however, that the mere presence of a VSA program during an interrogation may deter a respondent from giving a false answer.

<snip>

Researchers with the Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services (including this author) used these VSA programs while questioning more than 300 arrestees about their recent drug use. The results of the VSA output—which ostensibly indicated whether the arrestees were lying or telling the truth—were then compared to their urine drug test results. The findings of our study revealed:
Deceptive respondents. Fifteen percent who said they had not used drugs—but who, according to their urine tests, had—were correctly identified by the VSA programs as being deceptive.
Nondeceptive respondents. Eight and a half percent who were telling the truth—that is, their urine tests were consistent with their statements that they had or had not used drugs—were incorrectly classified by the VSA programs as being deceptive.

<snip>

Link: http://www.nij.gov/journals/259/voice-st...alysis.htm

Doesn't seem that they are very reliable.

Either way, they are not admissible in courts, just like lie detector tests aren't admissible in court.

And it makes me wonder, did he take a lie detector test as well? If he took a voice stress test as they claim, why not hook him up to a lie detector test as well? And if he failed, the lawyer is under no obligation to tell us even if he took one, but the police can, although I'm not sure if they can announce the results of the test before trial.

[jaxx]

Trayvon Martin case: George Zimmerman hires Casey Anthony TV analyst

By theGrio
5:03 PM on 04/03/2012

Talk about strange bedfellows. According to a new report from the Orlando Sentinel, George Zimmerman has hired Hal Uhrig, an attorney best known for offering TV commentary during the Casey Anthony trial. Uhrig is unaffiliated with any particular network and will serve on Zimmerman's defense alongside Craig Sonner:

George Zimmerman has hired attorney Hal Uhrig, stations reported tonight. The name will be familiar to people who followed the Casey Anthony coverage, because Uhrig offered analysis for Fox-owned WOFL-Channel 35.

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-...nalyst.php

I didn't follow the Casey Anthony trial, others may remember him.

[PoliticalTiger]

It's all spin. That's what lawyers do. This newest attorney admits he hasn't even met his client, George Zimmerman yet. So he's just spouting off BS.

And talking about BS, I listened to about half of that interview clip and had to turn it off when he blamed Trayvon Martin for his own death! This lawyer is only going to make things worse! He makes Sanford sound like paradise in earth until that mean Trayvon Martin decided to beat up poor little George Zimmerman! And while he didn't directly say it, what he's saying is who do those UPPITY protesters think they are coming to "our" town?

What I heard that asshole say is only going to inflame tensions that are already riding high and that's probably the purpose, to poison the jury pool as much as possible.

[jaxx]

(04-04-2012 10:06 PM)PoliticalTiger Wrote:  It's all spin. That's what lawyers do. This newest attorney admits he hasn't even met his client, George Zimmerman yet. So he's just spouting off BS.

And talking about BS, I listened to about half of that interview clip and had to turn it off when he blamed Trayvon Martin for his own death! This lawyer is only going to make things worse! He makes Sanford sound like paradise in earth until that mean Trayvon Martin decided to beat up poor little George Zimmerman! And while he didn't directly say it, what he's saying is who do those UPPITY protesters think they are coming to "our" town?

What I heard that asshole say is only going to inflame tensions that are already riding high and that's probably the purpose, to poison the jury pool as much as possible.

That's what I got out of it too. BS and aggression towards Piers Morgan for asking questions, trying to put words in his mouth.

[PoliticalTiger]

(04-04-2012 10:11 PM)jaxx Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 10:06 PM)PoliticalTiger Wrote:  It's all spin. That's what lawyers do. This newest attorney admits he hasn't even met his client, George Zimmerman yet. So he's just spouting off BS.

And talking about BS, I listened to about half of that interview clip and had to turn it off when he blamed Trayvon Martin for his own death! This lawyer is only going to make things worse! He makes Sanford sound like paradise in earth until that mean Trayvon Martin decided to beat up poor little George Zimmerman! And while he didn't directly say it, what he's saying is who do those UPPITY protesters think they are coming to "our" town?

What I heard that asshole say is only going to inflame tensions that are already riding high and that's probably the purpose, to poison the jury pool as much as possible.

I tell

That's what I got out of it too. BS and aggression towards Piers Morgan for asking questions, trying to put words in his mouth.

I tell ya, that guy really pissed me off! Defending Zimmerman is one thing, but to lay all the blame on the victim, especially in this case where we all know Zimmerman was the aggressor, well, that's simply out of bounds!

This lawyer may be good inside a courtroom, I don't know, but outside he needs to shut his trap and let someone who understands PR do the talking, because if he thinks throwing around racist accusations, and that's exactly what he was doing when he says "after some folks came to town and had their little rallies," (ie: Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP) is helping, he's dead wrong!

I'd love to see Rev Al go one on one with this big mouth!

[jaxx]

(04-04-2012 10:26 PM)PoliticalTiger Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 10:11 PM)jaxx Wrote:  I tell

That's what I got out of it too. BS and aggression towards Piers Morgan for asking questions, trying to put words in his mouth.

I tell ya, that guy really pissed me off! Defending Zimmerman is one thing, but to lay all the blame on the victim, especially in this case where we all know Zimmerman was the aggressor, well, that's simply out of bounds!

This lawyer may be good inside a courtroom, I don't know, but outside he needs to shut his trap and let someone who understands PR do the talking, because if he thinks throwing around racist accusations, and that's exactly what he was doing when he says "after some folks came to town and had their little rallies," (ie: Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP) is helping, he's dead wrong!

I'd love to see Rev Al go one on one with this big mouth!

Rev. Al keeps Trayvon in his shows daily. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take on the lawyer for what he said. The lawyer seemed to be mad, not a very good thing when people are looking for justice.

[PoliticalTiger]

(04-04-2012 10:33 PM)jaxx Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 10:26 PM)PoliticalTiger Wrote:  I tell ya, that guy really pissed me off! Defending Zimmerman is one thing, but to lay all the blame on the victim, especially in this case where we all know Zimmerman was the aggressor, well, that's simply out of bounds!

This lawyer may be good inside a courtroom, I don't know, but outside he needs to shut his trap and let someone who understands PR do the talking, because if he thinks throwing around racist accusations, and that's exactly what he was doing when he says "after some folks came to town and had their little rallies," (ie: Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP) is helping, he's dead wrong!

I'd love to see Rev Al go one on one with this big mouth!

Rev. Al keeps Trayvon in his shows daily. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take on the lawyer for what he said. The lawyer seemed to be mad, not a very good thing when people are looking for justice.

Yes indeed! I love watching Rev Al and will definitely be watching tomorrow to see him (hopefully) rip into that lawyer. And as Al Sharpton has already pointed out, it was the parents who asked for his help, and a lot of the rallies and protests are grassroots events, organized by everyday people, and to this lawyer's horror, I bet some of them were even white!

[NJMaverick]

George and his lawyer don't belong on the streets

[Blue_Roses]

It's obvious this guy could care less about Trayvon, his family, or George Zimmerman for that matter. He's in this for himself. What an opportunist! Sad that people like this are so selfish that they will go to any lengths for notiriaty, especially bashing an innocent victim.

Lowest of low. He makes me sick.

[suzie]

He's getting paid to represent his client--that's what defense attorneys do.

He's going to try the victim--that's also what defense attorneys do.

Should we be on the other side, most of us are happy to have a person representing us who would do the same.

The fact that Z's father has hired new lawyers probably indicates that they're expecting an indictment to come soon.

That the new lawyers are instantly on TV and trying Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson may indicate that they see real problems with their side of the case. "Look over there, a squirrel named Al."

Just DON'T look at the map of the complex or the 911 tapes.



NOTE: This is not to say that Hannity, O'Reilly, or any other talking head who repeats his statements as "The Truth" are being fair or that what they say is acceptable. They DON'T have the task of representing their client.

[NJMaverick]

(04-05-2012 08:37 AM)suzie Wrote:  He's getting paid to represent his client--that's what defense attorneys do.

He's going to try the victim--that's also what defense attorneys do.

Should we be on the other side, most of us are happy to have a person representing us who would do the same.

The fact that Z's father has hired new lawyers probably indicates that they're expecting an indictment to come soon.

That the new lawyers are instantly on TV and trying Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson may indicate that they see real problems with their side of the case. "Look over there, a squirrel named Al."

Just DON'T look at the map of the complex or the 911 tapes.



NOTE: This is not to say that Hannity, O'Reilly, or any other talking head who repeats his statements as "The Truth" are being fair or that what they say is acceptable. They DON'T have the task of representing their client.

You're right but it still makes my blood boil. His client killed the Trayvon and now he is trying to kill what's left his memory and reputation.

[Blue_Roses]

He's doing his "client" more harm than good. And as for paying him, that's something we don't know. I suspect that the Zimmerman's are getting this pro bono. Just a guess.

(04-05-2012 08:37 AM)suzie Wrote:  He's getting paid to represent his client--that's what defense attorneys do.

He's going to try the victim--that's also what defense attorneys do.

Should we be on the other side, most of us are happy to have a person representing us who would do the same.

The fact that Z's father has hired new lawyers probably indicates that they're expecting an indictment to come soon.

That the new lawyers are instantly on TV and trying Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson may indicate that they see real problems with their side of the case. "Look over there, a squirrel named Al."

Just DON'T look at the map of the complex or the 911 tapes.



NOTE: This is not to say that Hannity, O'Reilly, or any other talking head who repeats his statements as "The Truth" are being fair or that what they say is acceptable. They DON'T have the task of representing their client.

[suzie]

Absolutely it's awful what the guy is saying.

But does it mean that the case has some real major problems for his client and that he's trying to deflect from them? Let's hope so.

The key deal here is that Zimmerman has to make the "Stand Your Ground" defense himself--his attorney or his father can't do it for him. But if Zimmerman takes the stand, he's going to be asked if he's a violent guy. And if he says "No", his record of domestic dispute with girlfriend, getting into a fight with an officer trying to arrest someone else, and the latest another driver whom he had a disagreement with that thought Z might attack him may come in.

If he says that he's telling the truth, then he gets presented with the application to be a volunteer in which he says that the officer in the arrest didn't identify himself, none of it was Z's fault. And who knows how many other incidents of violence are out there that the Z Family knows about, but haven't appeared yet in the media.

Maybe Z doesn't take the stand and the judge tells the jury that they have to disregard the fact that he didn't take the stand in his own defense. And they of course do that. Yeah right.

So, let's hope they have to get all this stuff out their early, because they know that it's not going to sound very good in a courtroom.

[Brewman_Jax]

Said the lawyer: we had a nice peaceful community until those outsiders came and had their rally. Really?

Only a racist that can't see racism would blame racism for the racial strife in the area. I guess that history had nothing to do with it.

[jaxx]

Just saw that Rev. Al will have Atty. Crump on today. I bet they will discuss what Z's lawyers said.
I'm going out to an early dinner and will miss the show. Hope they get the videos up quickly.

[jaxx]

Rev. Al from tonight:

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