FORDS AD

[OptimistesMaddie]

Did you see the piece of crap ad.

If not here ya go.

I just wrote them.

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Your recent ad attacking the Auto Bailout was unnecessary. People of all political persuasions buy Ford vehicles, you have just alienated potential buyers. I wonder if it was worth it to make yor political statement. Stupid Move
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[There Is No Spoon]

I thought it was a bit much too. They could have made their point in a much less offensive way.

[Cha]

OMMFG! Buncha crapola Whiners! They're so fooking jealous. America is about helping out our Country, dumbasses. And, we were paid BACK..forgot to mention that!

Thanks for writing them, Maddie. They want to be divisive to make a few sales to whiny a$$holes? Go for it.

[Cha]

In addition..that's a stupid reason to buy a Ford. They're setting themselves up for failure.

And, it's a good reason for me not to buy one if I were in the market.

[Julie]

Saving my money for a Chevy Volt (after they've got a couple/few model years under their belt). Ford. The joke used to be that it stood for Found On Road Dead.

Assholes. They should be going after foreign car companies.

Julie

[Cha]

(09-10-2011 08:18 PM)Julie Wrote:  Saving my money for a Chevy Volt (after they've got a couple/few model years under their belt). Ford. The joke used to be that it stood for Found On Road Dead.

Assholes. They should be going after foreign car companies.

Julie

Thank you. I was totally thinking of that but held back. It's like they're sitting around brainstorming and some guy comes up with: "well, we didn't get bailed out so let's be a$$holes and remind everyone that the other companies did and they're no good cause that's not the American way.":vomit:

Didn't GM make a commercial and Thank America for having Confidence in them?

[Joan Ruaiz]

(09-10-2011 06:09 PM)OptimistesMaddie Wrote:  Did you see the piece of crap ad.

If not here ya go.

I just wrote them.

<snip>
Your recent ad attacking the Auto Bailout was unnecessary. People of all political persuasions buy Ford vehicles, you have just alienated potential buyers. I wonder if it was worth it to make yor political statement. Stupid Move
<snip>

I'd like their mailing address....or email.

We have two Fords in our household, but we are about to get rid of one, and well, I guess they just blew a sale!

[OptimistesMaddie]

(09-10-2011 08:21 PM)Joan Ruaiz Wrote:  

(09-10-2011 06:09 PM)OptimistesMaddie Wrote:  Did you see the piece of crap ad.

If not here ya go.

I just wrote them.

<snip>
Your recent ad attacking the Auto Bailout was unnecessary. People of all political persuasions buy Ford vehicles, you have just alienated potential buyers. I wonder if it was worth it to make yor political statement. Stupid Move
<snip>

I'd like their mailing address....or email.

We have two Fords in our household, but we are about to get rid of one, and well, I guess they just blew a sale!

Per your request:
By Mail United States
Ford Motor Company
Customer Relationship Center
P.O. Box 6248
Dearborn, MI 48126

http://corporate.ford.com/about-ford/contact-ford

[jaxx]

That was really cold. The idea of some buyer saying that is nil, but it does make me wonder why Ford thought they could cut down GM by using the bail out. Or don't those jobs saved matter to them.

I drive a Chevy!

[Cha]

(09-10-2011 08:37 PM)jaxx Wrote:  That was really cold. The idea of some buyer saying that is nil, but it does make me wonder why Ford thought they could cut down GM by using the bail out. Or don't those jobs saved matter to them.

I drive a Chevy!

And, how hurting is FORD that they have to resort to this? I'm sensing incensed Blowback!

Chevy!

[Cha]

Yes, Please give Joan the address!

[There Is No Spoon]

As a Ford guy who also has a car on order with them, I know this company has been doing well.

I think they probably feel slighted that companies that took bailout money are doing well now whereas Ford had a better business plan and didn't need the money. Once again, as a Ford guy I was really happy that they didn't need to be bailed out.

Even though I don't like the tone of this ad (it's politically tone-deaf as I've already stated), I don't think they meant it as a political statement. Obviously I took offense and I'm sure a lot of others who are on the left who are politically sensitive to this topic took offense as well. Best way to deal with this is to let them know that they messed up and ended up with a tone that comes across as arrogant. And as we all know, arrogance is a right-wing trait, so it comes across as right-wingy. It also implies to those who are anti-bailout (the right); that they are in agreement with their position. This is purely by accident as I'm sure that's not what they meant to imply. It's just poorly done. It's possible that the guy who is speaking there is a right-wing type too, which is unfortunate.

Let's let them know - I have a Ford Customer Service person who I contact regularly to check on the status of my order and I will forward my complaint to them. Often when enough people complain about something a smart organization will react to it. I've helped get 2 ads changed or removed, so I know companies respond to complaints.

[Born_A_Truman]

Their ad agency is:

Satish Korde, CEO
Team Detroit
550 Town Center
Dearborn, MI 48126
313.615.2000

Ford Customer Relationship Center
United States
800-392-3673

[Born_A_Truman]

Oh, and yes I did see that commercial and I was shocked. Poor taste. It's one thing to tout your product and compare it to your competition, but to use it as a political snipe against TARP is low, and has nothing to do with Ford being a better car or truck.

That whole campaign phoney and staged looking and it demeans the press/media as well.

But maybe they are just the"tools" like they appear to be in these spots.

[azmouse]

When Ford can make a car as cool as a Corvette Z06, then I'll talk to them. til then.... meh.

[Julie]

(09-11-2011 11:54 AM)azmouse Wrote:  When Ford can make a car as cool as a Corvette Z06, then I'll talk to them. til then.... meh.

Girl, I got a sly smile on my face when I read your post. Was thinking similar thoughts when I first saw their ad. To be more accurate, I was thinking "So you guys are still pissed you could never match the Corvette, eh? Fucking Heathers"

Julie

[There Is No Spoon]

(09-11-2011 11:54 AM)azmouse Wrote:  When Ford can make a car as cool as a Corvette Z06, then I'll talk to them. til then.... meh.

That's the thing, I have a Boss Mustang on order that is a proven track car for $30k less. Please, let's not get into this game or there will be scars ripped open that may never heal.

If we're going to compare, let's compare to the Ford GT.

[Julie]

(09-11-2011 07:14 PM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 11:54 AM)azmouse Wrote:  When Ford can make a car as cool as a Corvette Z06, then I'll talk to them. til then.... meh.

That's the thing, I have a Boss Mustang on order that is a proven track car for $30k less. Please, let's not get into this game or there will be scars ripped open that may never heal.

If we're going to compare, let's compare to the Ford GT.

I daresay, after a quick look at the sites for these companies, you may be right....

Looking to buy an asskicking Ford GT, as a mere mortal that will be driving on the streets? Well then go here. Maybe I'm missing something but I didn't see anything like the car you posted the photo of. Sweet, for a Ford and all, but not nearly as hot as that sweet thing you posted. Just sayin'.



Now let's see what you can get over there at the Chevy dealer....



So, as I said earlier, you may be right...about old scars getting ripped open. Yours, Ford boy.

Julie--a Motor City girl from a GM family

[There Is No Spoon]

I think you missed the point.

I'm not anti-GM. I almost bought a Camaro SS (which is the comparable car to the Boss), but after doing the analysis, I decided that it was not as good a car, even though I actually like it's looks better.

Ford's point, which it made exceedingly poorly as I've stated twice already, is "don't punish success". I, for one, think they have a legitimate point that they have every right to point out in their ads. They were winning the game by playing it smarter than their competition. And they could have exploited this in a way that wasn't offensive to liberals, but they or their marketing firm made a poor choice. Granted, they did not intend to make this a swipe at Democratic policy, they simply were attempting to point out that they may have been the only American auto maker left if the government had not bailed out it's competition. Obviously I think Ford is a better company having GM competing against them, and they would probably admit the same in private.

I don't see this as an opportunity to rank on Ford to boost one's preferred car brand though.

[Julie]

(09-12-2011 08:12 AM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  I think you missed the point.

I'm not anti-GM. I almost bought a Camaro SS (which is the comparable car to the Boss), but after doing the analysis, I decided that it was not as good a car, even though I actually like it's looks better.

Ford's point, which it made exceedingly poorly as I've stated twice already, is "don't punish success". I, for one, think they have a legitimate point that they have every right to point out in their ads. They were winning the game by playing it smarter than their competition. And they could have exploited this in a way that wasn't offensive to liberals, but they or their marketing firm made a poor choice. Granted, they did not intend to make this a swipe at Democratic policy, they simply were attempting to point out that they may have been the only American auto maker left if the government had not bailed out it's competition. Obviously I think Ford is a better company having GM competing against them, and they would probably admit the same in private.

I don't see this as an opportunity to rank on Ford to boost one's preferred car brand though.

lolz

[azmouse]

(09-12-2011 08:12 AM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  I think you missed the point.

I'm not anti-GM. I almost bought a Camaro SS (which is the comparable car to the Boss), but after doing the analysis, I decided that it was not as good a car, even though I actually like it's looks better.

I own a 2000 Camaro SS. Honestly, you wouldn't have regretted the purchase. It's been a blast.
I also have a 2002 Corvette Z06 like that pictured above, and a 1996 Impala SS.
What can I say... MrMouse and I like horsepower.

The Ford commercial comes across to me like the classic disagreements between Ford and Chevy owners. Everyone has a fav car company and enjoys taking what I hope are just friendly digs at fans of a different company. It's all good as long as we can find the car that makes us happy.

[There Is No Spoon]

(09-12-2011 09:01 AM)azmouse Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 08:12 AM)There Is No Spoon Wrote:  I think you missed the point.

I'm not anti-GM. I almost bought a Camaro SS (which is the comparable car to the Boss), but after doing the analysis, I decided that it was not as good a car, even though I actually like it's looks better.

I own a 2000 Camaro SS. Honestly, you wouldn't have regretted the purchase. It's been a blast.
I also have a 2002 Corvette Z06 like that pictured above, and a 1996 Impala SS.
What can I say... MrMouse and I like horsepower.

The Ford commercial comes across to me like the classic disagreements between Ford and Chevy owners. Everyone has a fav car company and enjoys taking what I hope are just friendly digs at fans of a different company. It's all good as long as we can find the car that makes us happy.

The commercial doesn't seem Ford v. Chevy to me at all, it is offensive since it implies that the auto bailout was a bad thing.

Trust me, the best day at the dragstrip is a Ford v. Chevy event. Heck, my T-Bucket has a Chevy engine in a Ford - it's all good.

As far as being addicted to HP, my supercharged 5L Cougar beat a 2005 C6 LS2 last year by quite a bit (btw, the C6 chassis didn't start production until 2005 model year) and would run even with a Z06. I built the motor myself - it's my #1 hobby. I also tune my friends Mustang and it's running low 10's in the 1/4, which is extremely fast for a street legal car (for those not familiar with drag racing.)

[JuniperLea]

As a GM person who has been considering a Ford once the current drive drives no more, I will happily let them know the model I've been considering is now off the list.

What a scummy thing to do.

Good thing cars are merely transportation for me... it makes this decision as easy as falling off a log.

[Cha]

(09-12-2011 01:58 PM)JuniperLea Wrote:  As a GM person who has been considering a Ford once the current drive drives no more, I will happily let them know the model I've been considering is now off the list.

What a scummy thing to do.

Good thing cars are merely transportation for me... it makes this decision as easy as falling off a log.

Hi Juniper Lea,

"Ford supported the industry rescue, too"

Quote:But let’s not leave some of the relevant details out of the discussion. Even if we ignore the various tax incentives from the Obama administration that Ford made good use of, it’s worth remembering that in 2009, Ford was an enthusiastic supporter of the Obama administration’s industry-rescue policy.

It’s true that Ford wasn’t directly part of the rescue, but the company’s executives have said many times the “bailout” was vital to the success of the American automotive industry.

About a year ago, for example, Ford CEO Alan Mullaly explained, “The government’s intervention was absolutely key to helping create a chance for GM and Chrysler going forward. That’s why I testified on behalf of GM and Chrysler, as you know. The reason we did was that we believed — like two presidents [Bush and Obama] — that if GM and Chrysler would have gone into freefall bankruptcy, they would have taken the supply base down and taken the industry down plus maybe turned the U.S. recession into a depression.”

More..
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/politic...eedfetcher

And, this..

That took place in 2009..

"US to loan $5.9 bln to Ford, $1.6 bln to Nissan

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/art..._8K_XMLd6Q

[KonaKane]

Hey blue shirt....did you know that the guy who started your company was a virulent antisemite and Hitler supporter?

[jaxx]

Last Updated: September 27. 2011 3:32PM
Daniel Howes
Ford pulls its ad on bailouts

<..> The ad, pulled in response to White House questions (and, presumably, carping from rival GM), threatened to rekindle the negative (if accurate) association just when the president wants credit for their positive results (GM and Chrysler are moving forward, making money and selling vehicles) and to distance himself from any public downside of his decision.

In other words, where presidential politics and automotive marketing collide — clean, green, politically correct vehicles not included — the president wins and the automaker loses because the benefit of the battle isn't worth the cost of waging it.

"This thing is highly charged," says an industry source familiar with the situation. Ford "never meant it to be an attack on the policy. There was not any pressure to take down the ad."

<..> Second is that Ford supported the bailouts before Congress, in public statements and still does today, despite the recurring snarkiness you hear around its offices in Dearborn that it "didn't take the money."

http://detnews.com/article/20110927/OPIN...z1ZAjLrHUa

The article itself it snarky, but the end result is the ads are stopped.

[There Is No Spoon]

(09-27-2011 02:01 PM)jaxx Wrote:  Last Updated: September 27. 2011 3:32PM
Daniel Howes
Ford pulls its ad on bailouts

<..> The ad, pulled in response to White House questions (and, presumably, carping from rival GM), threatened to rekindle the negative (if accurate) association just when the president wants credit for their positive results (GM and Chrysler are moving forward, making money and selling vehicles) and to distance himself from any public downside of his decision.

In other words, where presidential politics and automotive marketing collide — clean, green, politically correct vehicles not included — the president wins and the automaker loses because the benefit of the battle isn't worth the cost of waging it.

"This thing is highly charged," says an industry source familiar with the situation. Ford "never meant it to be an attack on the policy. There was not any pressure to take down the ad."

<..> Second is that Ford supported the bailouts before Congress, in public statements and still does today, despite the recurring snarkiness you hear around its offices in Dearborn that it "didn't take the money."

http://detnews.com/article/20110927/OPIN...z1ZAjLrHUa

The article itself it snarky, but the end result is the ads are stopped.

Ford was right to pull the ad. What do they accomplish by instigating not only their competition, but many of their customers (never mind pissing off the Obama administration.)

[Cha]

I had been wondering if there would be an update to this.. blowback as it were from such a stupid pompous ass, hypocritical ad.

Thanks jaxx!

Yeah, the guy who wrote the article sounds like a he has an axe to grind on everybody. Not sure I got from the article just where the President's Team cracked down on the Ford Ad..am I missing something? But, he did manage to get out all the hypocricy Ford was employing by running that "holier than thou" ad.

Oh, he offers this up without proof..

"That's what some of America is about, evidently. Because Ford pulled the ad after individuals inside the White House questioned whether the copy was publicly denigrating the controversial bailout policy CEO Alan Mulally repeatedly supported in the dark days of late 2008, in early '09 and again when the ad flap arose. And more.

With President Barack Obama tuning his re-election campaign amid dismal economic conditions and simmering antipathy toward his stimulus spending and associated bailouts, the Ford ad carried the makings of a political liability when Team Obama can least afford yet another one. Can't have that."

[Cha]

(09-27-2011 02:24 PM)Cha Wrote:  I had been wondering if there would be an update to this.. blowback as it were from such a stupid pompous ass, hypocritical ad.

Thanks jaxx!

Yeah, the guy who wrote the article sounds like a he has an axe to grind on everybody. Not sure I got from the article just where the President's Team cracked down on the Ford Ad..am I missing something? But, he did manage to get out all the hypocricy Ford was employing by running that "holier than thou" ad.

Oh, he offers this up without proof..

"That's what some of America is about, evidently. Because Ford pulled the ad after individuals inside the White House questioned whether the copy was publicly denigrating the controversial bailout policy CEO Alan Mulally repeatedly supported in the dark days of late 2008, in early '09 and again when the ad flap arose. And more.

With President Barack Obama tuning his re-election campaign amid dismal economic conditions and simmering antipathy toward his stimulus spending and associated bailouts, the Ford ad carried the makings of a political liability when Team Obama can least afford yet another one. Can't have that."

Just wanted to make sure you saw my reply to your post, jaxx.

[jaxx]

I think so too TINS. They left themselves wide open because they did support the bailouts and also took money to help with moving ahead in the electric cars.

[jaxx]

Yeah it was a snarky article. The guy is not a graceful loser.

[Cha]

(09-27-2011 02:54 PM)jaxx Wrote:  Yeah it was a snarky article. The guy is not a graceful loser.

Quote:A Detroit News opinion columnist alleged today that Ford pulled the ad after “individuals inside the White House” raised questions about it. The columnist, Daniel Howes, backs this up by citing nothing, not even anonymous sources. He merely states that it’s “evidently” true.

The usual suspects got worked up and raised ominous questions, but as Greg Sargent explained, there’s simply no evidence to support the claim, and “Ford and the White House are both denying the tale.”

“The Detroit News story is not true,” communications director Dan Pfeiffer emails. Ford happens to agree. The company Tweeted: “we did not pull the ad due to pressure. the ad ran 4 weeks which is what the campaign called for.”

Odder still: The original Detroit News story doesn’t even allege pressure. Way down in the story an “industry source” is quoted claiming: “There was not any pressure to take down the ad.” The piece then goes on to hint that Ford might have felt some kind of pressure, but doesn’t quote anyone claiming that this was the case.

A Ford spokesperson later told Greg, “The ad was replaced with another ad, which is our usual practice when an ad runs its course. There was no pressure from the White House or the administration. This is Ford’s decision, and part of our usual practice.”

Steve Benen

Imagine that...lying in the m$m

[jaxx]

Good find Cha. Thanks for setting it straight.